| --- Log opened Mon Jan 28 00:00:03 2019 |
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| 01:17 | <&ToxicFrog> | IT'S ALIIIIIVE |
| 01:17 | <&ToxicFrog> | NAME SIZE ALLOC FREE |
| 01:17 | <&ToxicFrog> | ancilla 14.5T 5.92T 8.58T |
| 01:17 | <&ToxicFrog> | backup 1.82T 588G 1.24T |
| 01:22 | <&McMartin> | That is many T. |
| 01:22 | <&McMartin> | Nearly six entire monsters |
| 01:32 | <@Alek> | daang |
| 01:50 | <&ToxicFrog> | I've still got two unallocated 2TB drives that I'm not sure what to do with, too. |
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| 14:24 | <@iospace> | today in |
| 14:24 | <@iospace> | "Yeah good luck with that" |
| 14:24 | <@iospace> | a company asking for TS/SCI on their questionaire |
| 14:25 | <@iospace> | well, if you have TS/SCI clearance, which is the highest clearance you can get |
| 14:25 | <@iospace> | odds of those people being out in the wild are pretty low |
| 14:27 | <@TheWatcher> | Just tell them that you're not at liberty to tell them whether or not you have one~ |
| 14:48 | <@iospace> | haha |
| 15:07 | <&jeroud> | Isn't that the sort of clearance that needs to be purpose-specific and time-bounded? |
| 15:14 | < ErikMesoy> | Yes, but you're not at liberty to state the time or purpose either. |
| 15:26 | <@iospace> | "Must sign confidentiality agreement, assignment of inventions, and non-compete agreement if hired." |
| 15:26 | <@iospace> | ok |
| 15:26 | <@iospace> | 1. sure, that's fine and par for course. 2. Uh... let me explain that in a moment |
| 15:26 | <@iospace> | 3. LOL GOOD LUCK ENFORCING THAT |
| 15:27 | <@iospace> | #2 is vile though, it's basically what Thomas Edison usually gets dragged over the coals for: "If you invent anything, it's our property, even if it's on your own free time. Also we own all code you write." |
| 15:28 | <@TheWatcher> | Yeah, that one's becomming way to fucking common |
| 15:28 | <@iospace> | yup |
| 15:28 | <@iospace> | non-competes have been basically rendered toothless |
| 15:28 | <@iospace> | (now, Edison did have some legit inventing chops, and in fact, he got his major break making the first full duplex telegraph) |
| 15:29 | <@iospace> | (but he also did do some vile shit down the line) |
| 15:30 | <@iospace> | mostly by virtue of "no, you can't tell someone that they can't be in their field of study for a period of time." |
| 15:30 | <@TheWatcher> | Edison was a sociopathic monster. |
| 15:31 | <@TheWatcher> | Wait, no, a greedy, unethical, sociopathic monster. |
| 15:31 | <@iospace> | the hilarious thing is guess who positions themself as a modern Tesla but is really a modern Edison |
| 15:31 | <@iospace> | Elon Musk :V |
| 15:33 | <@iospace> | but yeah, Edison did some real bad shit, but he also did legitimately invent some major things by his own merit. So in short, Edison is a person of contrasts :P |
| 15:36 | <@iospace> | I may apply for this company with no intention of signing anything (well, unless the deal is sweet enough), but if anything, it'd be practice |
| 15:37 | <@TheWatcher> | Yeah, quite. And it might be worth looking up what the legality of assignment agreements in your state is; some of them restrict what can be covered. |
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| 15:49 | | * TheWatcher arghs at co-workers |
| 15:50 | | * TheWatcher tries to concoct a better rule for flagging urgent emails |
| 15:51 | <@TheWatcher> | (While I appreciate being told that something isn't urgent, putting "not urgent" in the subject line ends up with it being flagged..) |
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| 18:33 | <&[R]> | <TheWatcher> Wait, no, a greedy, unethical, sociopathic monster. <-- So a CEO? |
| 18:35 | <&McMartin> | Yeah, assignment of inventions being sharply regulated and noncompetes being flatly void in blackletter law are two reasons I don't expect to leave California during my career >_< |
| 18:39 | <&[R]> | <iospace> the hilarious thing is guess who positions themself as a modern Tesla but is really a modern Edison <iospace> Elon Musk :V <-- I'm curious about this |
| 18:42 | <&[R]> | RE: Urgent Emails. $CCP boss always reamed on me for sending urgent emails "If it's urgent, then why are you emailing it?" "Because it's not urgent enough for me to wake you up at 4 AM, but we do need to discuss it when we're able to ASAP." |
| 18:42 | | * [R] ended up have many of the same conversations with him repeatedly |
| 18:46 | <&jeroud> | McMartin: ZA is also pretty good in that regard. |
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| 18:47 | <&jeroud> | Noncompetes are legal, but only in very specific cases. |
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| 19:16 | <&McMartin> | jeroud: Yeah, I will note that assignment of inventions gets squirrely in some cases *in* California as well, in that they're allowed to lay claim on anything you do that's related to what your employer does |
| 19:16 | <&McMartin> | And there are many employers around here that do, well, Basically Everything |
| 19:25 | <&ToxicFrog> | [R]: broadly speaking, Tesla is known for inventing a bunch of cool things but failing to productionize or market them effectively and dying in poverty, while Edison is known for taking other people's ideas, successfully productionizing and marketing them, and then taking all of the credit for coming up with the idea in the first place. |
| 19:25 | <&McMartin> | Also burning down the labs and workshops of his competitors |
| 19:25 | <&McMartin> | Which is why Hollywood exists, because there wasn't train service from New Jersey, thus keeping the arsonist goons at bay. |
| 19:25 | <&ToxicFrog> | Musk's approach to both Tesla and SpaceX is, generally, to find people with the expertise and good ideas and then throw large amounts of money at them; he's not the one doing the actual science and engineering. |
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| 19:53 | <@iospace> | [R]: what ToxicFrog said. Tesla, the car company? He was an angel investor. The original founder had to sue Musk about that |
| 19:53 | <@iospace> | Paypal? Same deal |
| 19:54 | <&[R]> | I thought PayPal was where he got rich? |
| 19:54 | <@iospace> | it was |
| 19:54 | <@iospace> | buuuuuuuuut he also came from money |
| 19:54 | <@iospace> | PayPal was established in December 1998 as Confinity,[12] a company that developed security software for handheld devices[13] founded by Max Levchin, Peter Thiel, Luke Nosek, and Ken Howery.[12][14] PayPal was developed and launched as a money transfer service at Confinity in 1999, funded by John Malloy from BlueRun Ventures.[15][16] |
| 19:54 | <@iospace> | In March 2000, Confinity merged with X.com, an online banking company founded by Elon Musk.[17] |
| 19:55 | <&[R]> | Ah |
| 19:55 | <@iospace> | SpaceX he did found himself, but most of the work done with spaceflight had been done already |
| 19:55 | <@iospace> | the one exception being the return of the 1st stage for full reusability on a traditional rocket |
| 19:56 | <@iospace> | his family owns an emerald mine |
| 19:56 | <@iospace> | or owned at one point |
| 19:56 | <@iospace> | that's where he got his initial money from |
| 19:57 | <@gnolam> | He is also fiercely anti-workers' rights. |
| 19:57 | <@iospace> | also that |
| 19:59 | <@gnolam> | But I'm not sure where baselessly accusing people of being pedophiles falls on the Tesla<->Edison scale. |
| 19:59 | <@iospace> | shortly after laying of 7% of his workforce, he sent out an email, at 1 in the morning saying everyone should work harder now to cover the slack |
| 19:59 | <&[R]> | A doped up Charlie Sheen? |
| 19:59 | <&[R]> | RE: Tesla-Edison scale |
| 20:00 | <&[R]> | WTF |
| 20:00 | <&McMartin> | I think it might kind of cover the range |
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| 22:15 | | * McMartin looks at http://unicode.org/reports/tr31/ - Unicode for identifiers |
| 22:16 | <&McMartin> | "Table 4: Candidate Characters for Exclusion from Identifiers" |
| 22:16 | <&McMartin> | "Linear B" |
| 22:18 | < ErikMesoy> | Coptic. |
| 22:19 | <&McMartin> | Egyptian Hieroglyphs |
| 22:19 | <&McMartin> | (Table 4 is mostly historical, liturgical, and scripts where the encodings still have serious issues) |
| 22:20 | < ErikMesoy> | I looked at a full illustrated Coptic alphabet once and its history really shows graphically: half Late Hieroglyphs (some very florid characters with half a dozen strokes), half Import Greek (O, P, Pi, X, et cetera). |
| 22:21 | <&McMartin> | I wonder if that's Imported Greek or Cousin To Greek By Way Of The Phoenecians |
| 22:22 | <&McMartin> | I guess O implies Greek; IIRC their innovation was actually writing vowels down |
| 22:24 | <~Vornicus> | That always befuddles me that that was an innovation |
| 22:25 | <&[R]> | Much like how 0 was the last number to be invented? |
| 22:26 | <&McMartin> | Vornicus: The Semitic languages encode far less information in the vowels than the Indo-European ones, IIRC. |
| 22:26 | <~Vornicus> | Considering things like bat bet bit bot but boot butte bait beet ... I have run out of vowels I can think of before words |
| 22:27 | <&[R]> | byte |
| 22:27 | <~Vornicus> | mcm: aha |
| 22:27 | < ErikMesoy> | Semitic roots tend to be mostly triconsonantal, too |
| 22:28 | <&McMartin> | As for zero, we say "zero" to really mean "positional notation" |
| 22:28 | <&McMartin> | The Romans had zero. They did not have positional notation. |
| 22:29 | < ErikMesoy> | Also Semitic vowel variation more frequently indicates inflection of the same base word (like English man -> men) |
| 22:30 | <&McMartin> | Now, what I do not recall is whether or not the Phonecians and other civilizations that brought writing to the Mediterranean in fact spoke Semitic languages |
| 22:30 | < ErikMesoy> | A hypothetical Semite who did not speak English might look at Vorn's list and go "oh man that word has a lot of conjugations" |
| 22:30 | <&McMartin> | you bet your butt |
| 22:31 | < ErikMesoy> | "probably one of those irregular verbs that is inflected by at least two of subject, tense and number" |
| 22:31 | <~Vornicus> | spanish: lol what isn't a verb tense |
| 22:32 | <&McMartin> | The subjunctive isn't. |
| 22:32 | <&McMartin> | It's a mood. |
| 22:32 | <&McMartin> | Also unlike Latin Spanish lost the ablative |
| 22:37 | <&Reiver> | Why would you exclude Hieroglyphs and Coptic? |
| 22:38 | <&Reiver> | Surely languages - even really old ones - have a value. |
| 22:38 | <~Vornicus> | It's exclusion from, uh |
| 22:38 | <&[R]> | Being a programming language identifier |
| 22:38 | <@Tamber> | Even better reason to include hieroglyphs. >.> |
| 22:40 | <~Vornicus> | for 🕺 in 💩: |
| 22:41 | <~Vornicus> | (🕺) |
| 22:41 | <&McMartin> | Even allowing Arabic ends up being a nightmare from what I see in this document |
| 22:42 | <&McMartin> | 🕴️ |
| 22:42 | <~Vornicus> | Yeah that's not surprising, arabic is *nasty* |
| 22:42 | <~Vornicus> | I for one look forward to the day when everyone uses hangul for everything~ |
| 22:42 | <&McMartin> | So most of the interesting parts of the protocol involve canonicalizing cases of "zero width joiner" and "zero width nonjoiner" where the same lexeme sequences are written differently and mean different things |
| 22:43 | <&McMartin> | If you expand hangeul to include stuff like that it will end up just as bad~ |
| 22:43 | <&McMartin> | I mean, trying to hengeul-ize English will turn into a hilarious flustered duck once you start trying to reconcile rhotic with non-rhotic accents~ |
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| 23:04 | <&McMartin> | I just got sent this link. It may be of interest to some here. I have not yet reviewed it. http://www.hardmvs.fr/manuals/NeoGeoProgrammersGuide.pdf |
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| 23:12 | <&McMartin> | (And by "have not reviewed" I mean "I don't recognize the site and have not checked to see if the PDF is what the filename suggests, and will be checking it inside a VM") |
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| 23:14 | <&Reiver> | That seems a slightly higher risk implied than "I have not reviewed it" suggests |
| 23:15 | <&McMartin> | The person who sent me the link is someone I *do* know |
| 23:15 | <&McMartin> | But my paranoia stays pretty high and I see no reason to dial it down~ |
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| 23:19 | <@iospace> | HOLY SHIT |
| 23:19 | <@iospace> | INTEL WANTS A FACE TO FACE |
| 23:20 | < Mahal> | \o/ |
| 23:20 | <~Vornicus> | holy shit |
| 23:21 | <&McMartin> | That's a good thing to hear |
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| 23:26 | <&[R]> | iospace: congrats! |
| 23:27 | <@iospace> | problem is I would have to cover my whole cost |
| 23:27 | <&[R]> | D: |
| 23:28 | <&McMartin> | That's a less good thing to hear |
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| 23:59 | <@iospace> | i don't care |
| 23:59 | <@iospace> | I GOT AN IN PERSON AND I DON'T CAAAAAAAARE |
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