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| 00:08 | <~Vorntastic> | Arm is the one I've done anything with at all |
| 00:39 | <&McMartin> | If you decide to try your hand at C64 or NES hacking I can point you to start good starting points~ |
| 00:40 | <&McMartin> | 6502 is, in retrospect, not the best choice for one's first ISA though, because there are assumptions about assembly language that one will make based on it that turn out to be hilariously wrong everywhere else |
| 00:40 | <&McMartin> | (like a 1-1 relationship between mnemonic and opcode) |
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| 09:23 | <&[R]> | Don't the Intel archetectures also not have a 1-1 relationship? |
| 09:33 | <&McMartin> | Indeed |
| 09:33 | <&McMartin> | 6502 is unique in *having* one. |
| 09:34 | <&McMartin> | like, in Z80 or x86, MOV AX, BX and MOV AX, CX are different opcodes for MOV encoding some arguments in |
| 09:34 | <&McMartin> | On the 6502 TAX, TAY, TXS, etc are all independent mnemonics. |
| 09:35 | <&McMartin> | so the opode is uniquely determined by mnemonic+addressing mode |
| 09:35 | <&McMartin> | while you have to actually do some *assembling* of your instructions normally. |
| 09:36 | <&[R]> | Ahh |
| 09:37 | <&McMartin> | I think but am not positive that the 65816 also has that, but it's a superset, so |
| 09:38 | <&McMartin> | Meanwhile, the bits of the arguments in ARM32 aren't necessarily even contiguous |
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| 14:27 | <&ToxicFrog> | ...why should they be? |
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| 15:19 | <@TheWatcher> | Oh, hey, my code works unchanged under 5.26, no warnings or anything. Wasn't expecting that. |
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| 19:29 | <&McMartin> | ToxicFrog: In contrast to the very strong correlation between mnemonics and binaries in the 6502 ISA and the weaker but still present correlation in the Z80 and 16-bit x86, as discussed above that |
| 19:40 | < Degi> | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DwZMKFdX4AICYWQ.jpg |
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| 20:19 | <&ToxicFrog> | An acquaintance of mine is interested in learning about pentesting, especially using Kali Linux. Anyone here have online courses or the like they'd recommend? |
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| --- Log closed Wed Jan 09 00:00:36 2019 |