| --- Log opened Tue Dec 04 00:00:16 2018 |
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| 01:35 | <&McMartin> | "This is 100% the correct conclusion, and I hope they went through the sensible process of spending $30 on my book, writing the conclusion, and putting the next $699,970 toward the booze that would be medically necessary to recover from knowing about blockchains." |
| 01:36 | <@Mahal> | Ehehehehehe |
| 01:49 | < Unvornlievable> | wat |
| 01:49 | <&McMartin> | Australia spent $700,000 on doing research on how Blockchain could assist in the governmental mission |
| 01:50 | <&McMartin> | And came back with "every conceivable application is done better with non-blockchain technology and there are literally zero reports of actually satisfied customers; it's all vendor hype" |
| 01:50 | <&McMartin> | The person quoted above wrote the book "Attack of the 50-Foot Blockchain" and that is his evaluation of that report |
| 01:52 | < Unvornlievable> | isn't git technically blockchain |
| 01:53 | <&McMartin> | It's better, in that it supports branches intentionally |
| 01:53 | < Unvornlievable> | ah |
| 01:54 | <&ToxicFrog> | Unvornlievable: opinions differ on whether a zero-trust distributed consensus mechanism is a necessary part of blockchain; git, mercifully, does not have one of these |
| 01:54 | < Unvornlievable> | thank god |
| 02:05 | <@Reiv> | McMartin: To be fair, simply reading that one book would /not/ be enough, and you are most certainly paying for the consultants time in reading the damn thing as well~ |
| 02:06 | <@Reiv> | And, uh, the moment you go looking, you're going to have The Attack Of The Fifty Million Vendors too, and you /have/ to give them an audience lest they sue you later for neglecting their Totally Important And Vital Usage, and you're billing by the hour on those suckers as well, aaaaand |
| 02:06 | <@Reiv> | Due diligence at the govt-proof'd level is a nontrivial process, no matter how stupid the question ¬¬ |
| 02:07 | <@Reiv> | However, it is heartening to know they came to the correct (in this case, same) conclusion at least~ |
| 02:08 | <@Reiv> | It's actually mildly maddening working in compsci, I'm used to the corporate world where if you get a model or algorathmn for something perfectly accurate for 90% of your customers, that's an incredible victory provided it isn't in billing, and if it /is/ billing, it's more like 98% and then you tell the last 2% how things are going to be different |
| 02:08 | <@Reiv> | now |
| 02:09 | <@Reiv> | In govt? Ho ho ho, no-one gives a flying fuck about anything other than the failure rate, and what we're going to do about the fact it isn't 0 yet~ |
| 02:09 | <@Reiv> | (The answer: Hire another admin in the water billing dept so they can deal with the special cases manually because frankly it's cheaper than coding every single exception that comes up and will continue to come up forever) |
| 02:14 | <&McMartin> | "Now, you might say “that’s 100% centralised, why are they bothering with reprehensible garbage like proof-of-work in the first place,” but you’d be entirely correct." |
| 03:37 | <@Reiv> | ? |
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| 04:03 | <&McMartin> | Just flipping through a bitcoin journalist's blog |
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| 04:03 | <&McMartin> | He is often entertainingly hostile~ |
| 04:04 | <@Reiv> | What was the centralised bitcoin today then |
| 04:14 | <&McMartin> | "Sia", apparently |
| 04:15 | <&McMartin> | Which basically only let you mine currency with hardware they sold |
| 04:15 | < Unvornlievable> | cute |
| 04:24 | <@Reiv> | uh |
| 04:24 | <@Reiv> | That does not sound a scam at all, no siree |
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| 05:35 | <&McMartin> | Woot |
| 05:35 | <&McMartin> | There's my first segfault while working on AoC |
| 05:37 | <&McMartin> | And it wasn't when I accidentally used -1 as an array index either |
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| 17:12 | <@abudhabi> | How dangerous is it to remove the fan from a PSU? |
| 17:12 | < Unvornlievable> | I would stop well before step 1. opening the box |
| 17:15 | <@abudhabi> | Also, is there a name for an L-shaped PSU? |
| 17:16 | <@abudhabi> | This one is 5cm high, but the fan side extends far beyond that, in order to make room for said fan. |
| 17:26 | <@abudhabi> | Found the model! Was a bit hard, given half the label was in Chinese. |
| 17:26 | <@abudhabi> | And my Chinese isn't very good. |
| 17:26 | <@abudhabi> | https://www.amazon.com/503376-001-HP-D2402A0-HP-D2402E0-613763-001-611481-001/dp/B07CVW7VKY |
| 17:26 | <@abudhabi> | Now I just need to figure out if there is some compatible, quieter replacement, or if I can modify it to make it quieter. |
| 18:03 | <@Tamber> | But what's in the box? |
| 18:04 | <@abudhabi> | Power supply innards. |
| 18:04 | <@abudhabi> | I am somewhat uncaring about the danger, since I'm not new to being shocked by 230V. |
| 18:11 | <@Tamber> | (I've also taken to referring to buttcoin "proof of work" systems as "proof of wank", because that's all it's good for.) |
| 18:12 | <&jeroud> | No, wanks are more productive. |
| 18:14 | <@Tamber> | I suppose. |
| 18:21 | <&jeroud> | At the very least, they produce potentially dangerous bodily fluids. |
| 18:22 | <&jeroud> | McMartin: What are you doing AoC in? |
| 18:23 | | * abudhabi opens the box and extricates the fan. |
| 18:23 | <&jeroud> | (I chose rust this time, mostly to see how much it's improved since I last mucked about in it.) |
| 18:25 | <&McMartin> | C, to see how far behind it really is |
| 18:38 | <&McMartin> | Answer: much less than one would think. Except for input reading, only 1b has required me to stoop to dynamic allocation at all. |
| 18:38 | <@abudhabi> | Right. This seems a trivial matter. Just need to get a quieter fan and install it. |
| 18:38 | <@abudhabi> | It's even one of the standard sizes. |
| 18:39 | <&McMartin> | Also, in 1b, jankhash_free() ended up being fully half the runtime, so arena allocation is the way to go~ |
| 18:39 | <&McMartin> | Also, I've mentioned it several times but it bears repeating |
| 18:39 | <&McMartin> | When it comes to parsing the kinds of inputs AoC gives, scanf is *cheaty* |
| 18:39 | <&McMartin> | And I got to use qsort() in this latest one, which was also surprisingly painless |
| 18:41 | <&McMartin> | My initial plan was going to be "doing this in C will provide me with my own set of batteries to include elsewhere, maybe" |
| 18:42 | <&McMartin> | This has... not been panning out, in large part because most of these problems can indeed be trivially attacked in constant space |
| 18:44 | <&McMartin> | I'm not sure how much of that attitude is actually leaking over from Bumbershoot Land though tbh :) |
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| 19:05 | | * TheWatcher readsup |
| 19:05 | <@TheWatcher> | abudhabi: as long as you make sure you short any of the big caps, you'll be fine |
| 19:15 | <@abudhabi> | TheWatcher: What? |
| 19:16 | <@abudhabi> | Hm. OK. That makes some sense. |
| 20:13 | <&jeroud> | We're still quite early in the month. It'll get more complicated. |
| 20:13 | <&jeroud> | I'm more or less restricting myself to two external libraries. |
| 20:15 | <&jeroud> | One for command line stuff (although I'm also using one of the transitive deps for nicer error handling just because it's there anyway) and one for parsing. |
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