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| 01:03 | <&McMartin> | Hm. I may have a small-scale hobby project worth pursuing again. |
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| 08:32 | <&McMartin> | New Bumbershoot post. https://bumbershootsoft.wordpress.com/2018/07/25/call-stacks-and-their-implementations/ |
| 08:32 | <&McMartin> | This was more fun to work through than I expected it to be. |
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| 09:08 | <&McMartin> | OH HO HO, VILLAINY |
| 09:09 | | * McMartin convinces Visual Studio to compile a working, running C program with no linked C runtime. |
| 09:12 | <&McMartin> | Windows's idea of syscalls actually mixes very well with this; you don't actually need libc to do anything of importance, because all would-be syscalls look like calls to stuff Unix would file under section 2 of the manual... |
| 09:13 | <&McMartin> | ... but none of those functions *require* libc or its equivalent, and indeed use an entirely different ABI if you're at the asm level |
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| 09:25 | < Vorntastic> | Villainy indeed |
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| 09:27 | <&McMartin> | OTOH this means I can write insanely small Windows programs without having to do it in asm by hand |
| 09:30 | <&McMartin> | BUt yeah, this is also the first time I've had to write my own implementation of _start because nothing knows to call WinMain |
| 09:33 | <&McMartin> | Which is also my first crt0.s that is not in fact a .s and is implemented in C |
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| 09:34 | <&McMartin> | hooray for killbot |
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| 09:41 | < Vorntastic> | All hail the killbot |
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| 12:47 | < Guest16880> | Hey, I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/ |
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| 16:27 | | * macdjord|slep eyes Monster.ca |
| 16:27 | <@macdjord|slep> | That's the third job posting in two days for a 'mainframe developer' requiring COBOL experience |
| 16:29 | <@abudhabi> | Name your own salary kind of job, is it? |
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| 17:04 | <@macdjord|slep> | abudhabi: Doesn't say |
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| 17:08 | < ketas> | Hey, I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/ |
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| 17:09 | <@ErikMesoy> | Hell of a lot of those. |
| 17:10 | <~Vornicus> | little bit |
| 17:10 | <@Tamber> | I wonder when they'll run out of money/interest in pushing that crap? |
| 17:12 | <@gnolam> | So that was the spam talked about in the network message I assume? |
| 17:13 | <@ErikMesoy> | One channel I'm in had four of them the past twelve hours. |
| 17:13 | <@gnolam> | So what does the actually link go to? Malware? Spam? Crazy rants? Joe Job? |
| 17:13 | <@Tamber> | My channel elsenet has had waves joining fast enough that it's hit the join rate limit at least once. |
| 17:13 | <@Tamber> | It's a joe-job, looks like, aimed at some of the Freenode staff. |
| 17:15 | <@Tamber> | (They've probably turfed out some less-savoury members and this is the backlash.) |
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| 17:19 | | * ErikMesoy watches yet another one elsewhere |
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| 17:20 | < Namarrgon> | Hey, I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/ |
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| 17:24 | <@ErikMesoy> | The odd thing is, one of the early prototypes actually had a chance of interesting me when it only posted the one line link to Encyclopedia Dramatica and then got hit by Wrath of Bot calling it "spammer" for a line I'd seen once. |
| 17:25 | <@ErikMesoy> | That looked like it could have been overzealous admin cracking down on info leaking out in unaligned sources. But spamming four lines every hour or two across multiple channels is a great way of ruining all your own credibility. |
| 17:26 | <~Vornicus> | the conspiracy theories run super thick here - there's mention specifically of Pizzagate on the ED page |
| 17:27 | <~Vornicus> | (which I got from an authoritative source before I saw the spammers using it too) |
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| 17:29 | < server> | Hey, I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/ |
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| 17:29 | <@ErikMesoy> | lol |
| 17:29 | <@Tamber> | and over, and over, and over again. |
| 17:31 | <~Vornicus> | also, because of pizzagate connection, it is not entirely unlikely that the accusatory "evidence" includes cp, so. Don't Click That Shit. |
| 17:33 | <@Tamber> | The linked 'evidence' is textual blog entries 'confessing' Those Sorts of Habits. One of the blogs was created in the last few days according to the domain info, but has been made to look older; the other may have at one time been a legitimate blog, but gotten compromised. |
| 17:34 | <@Tamber> | But yeah, that's the message they're trying to push: that Freenode's staff is all some giant CP ring. |
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| 17:38 | <@gnolam> | Classy. |
| 17:38 | <@gnolam> | So a particularly insidious joe job then. |
| 17:38 | <@abudhabi> | I mean, it wouldn't surprise me, but IDC. |
| 17:39 | <@ErikMesoy> | Pizzagate has this weird vibe of three feds in a trenchcoat pretending to be a rebel. |
| 17:41 | <@Tamber> | gnolam, yeah, p. much. |
| 17:41 | <@Tamber> | Freenode seems to be the target of a fair few joe-jobs, but this one is particularly persistent and annoying. |
| 17:41 | <~Vornicus> | pizzagate is three 4channers in a trenchcoat pretending to be detectives |
| 17:42 | <@Tamber> | hah, yeah. |
| 17:43 | <@ErikMesoy> | that too, but also three feds in a trenchcoat pretending to be 4chan |
| 17:43 | <@macdjord|slep> | Irritatingly, one of the lines that's getting spammed is a HTML <script> tag, and it keeps causing my antivirus to quarentine my IRC logfiles. |
| 17:44 | <@Tamber> | oh dear. |
| 17:44 | <@Tamber> | (The EICAR test string is another good one for that. ¬¬) |
| 17:46 | < Kizor> | On that note, Tamber, can I ask what sort of safety measures you take before opening links like that? |
| 17:47 | <@Tamber> | mostly torbrowser with no script execution, and so forth. |
| 17:49 | < Kizor> | Fair enough. I have a Win XP VM kicking around, would it do the trick if I opened the link in that VM, then restored the VM to a previous state? |
| 17:51 | <@Tamber> | Hmm. Possibly? |
| 17:51 | <@gnolam> | Don't open suspicious links on XP, period. Even if it's in a VM. Even if you restore it afterwards, you could still become a member of a botnet until you do. |
| 17:52 | <@ErikMesoy> | How do I get killbot to "watch" other channels like #exalted where there's another of those bots now? |
| 17:52 | <@gnolam> | VirtualBox is free, Linux is free. |
| 17:52 | <@gnolam> | So set yourself up a VM with an updated OS instead. |
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| 17:53 | <~Vornicus> | ErikMesoy: killbot is a script attached to TheWatcher |
| 17:53 | <~Vornicus> | it only helps in channels he's in |
| 17:56 | <@abudhabi> | TheWatcher: You are invited to sit in with us in #Exalted ;) |
| 17:56 | < Kizor> | Tamber: Possibly? |
| 17:57 | <@Tamber> | See what gnolam said. Plus there's also ways to escape from the VM. |
| 17:57 | < Kizor> | Ahh. That's what I was curious about - so an infected VM can pull off infecting the host machine? |
| 17:58 | < Kizor> | (My old-timey Mac emulators won't even have to do that, they've got read/write access to my files. So if I get my HDDs nuked by a 1995 Mac virus, I'll have had it coming.) |
| 18:01 | <@macdjord|slep> | TheWatcher: Hrm. You have your alternate account, TheShadow, to provide logging services for channels you aren't in, right? How about setting up another alt, TheGuardian or something, which runs your KillBot script? Set it to automatically accept any channel invites it receives, so people can add spambot protection to their channels without requiring your direct intervention. |
| 18:05 | <@TheWatcher> | macdjord|slep: it's certainly something I'll look into |
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| 18:05 | <@TheWatcher> | although my preferred option would be to make it into an anope module, rather than an irssi script, so it can monitor server-side, and potentially block messages being relayed at all |
| 18:06 | <@TheWatcher> | Just that whole "time" thing |
| 18:06 | <@TheWatcher> | :/ |
| 18:06 | <@macdjord> | TheWatcher: Perfect, enemy, good, etc. |
| 18:06 | <@TheWatcher> | Yeah |
| 18:08 | < Kizor> | Tamber: Yep, found stuff about VM escape vulnerabilities in VMWare, VirtualBox et al. Fascinating, thanks. |
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| 18:19 | < Pyrrhic> | Hey, I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/ |
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| 18:43 | <&[R]> | This spam is making me think that this kloeri fellow must be a saintly paragon who can only be shammed with some kind of falsified slander. |
| 18:44 | <@ErikMesoy> | Or just has a particularly stupid enemy. |
| 18:52 | <&McMartin> | Yeah, on reflection this isn't a joe-job because a joe-job is *pretending to be* its target to draw the wrath of the internet down on it |
| 18:52 | <&McMartin> | This is a bug-eyed Alex Jones rant that expects the sheeple to flock to its banner |
| 18:54 | <@Tamber> | I suppose so. |
| 18:55 | <~Vornicus> | the links are sort of joe jobs. |
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| 19:13 | <&VirusJTG> | I try to follow the rule of thumb "If it is in spam, I don't want it, ever" |
| 19:46 | <&[R]> | https://portswigger.net/daily-swig/xss-protection-disappears-from-microsoft-edge <-- Quality decisions for quality software |
| 19:48 | | * VirusJTG notes edge has become the next IE... |
| 19:49 | <&[R]> | I don't really think so. |
| 19:50 | <&[R]> | I think it's simply the next Safari: all the shitty issues IE had, but none of the marketshare meaning its issues are largely meaningless because nearly no-one would be exposed to them. |
| 19:55 | <&VirusJTG> | snrk |
| 19:55 | <&VirusJTG> | I like that. |
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| 19:55 | | * VirusJTG mostly uses edge to download other browsers any way |
| 19:56 | <~Vornicus> | https://imgur.com/gallery/9TxWoa9 |
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| 20:14 | <@abudhabi> | Are there any known issues when using wifi repeaters? |
| 20:14 | <@abudhabi> | Like, stuff that crops up often. |
| 20:15 | <@abudhabi> | I'm experimenting with placement of the one I have. First spot may not have been good, since there were internet outages, despite there being connectivity through the main wiki net. |
| 20:35 | <&VirusJTG> | there are issues with repeaters, yes |
| 20:36 | <&VirusJTG> | often they may disconnect if their single to noise ration with the original wifi source is too weak.+ |
| 20:37 | <&VirusJTG> | if operating on the 2.4ghz spectrum you will also decrease the available wireless bandwidth to clients, this is mainly due to channel limitations of that spectrum. But, most home networks are small enough it shouldn't be an issue. |
| 20:45 | <&jeroud> | http://podbay.fm/show/1011668648 is a pretty good tech industry interview podcast, for those who like such things. |
| 20:45 | <&McMartin> | Less code than operations practice, but O'Reilly is giving away copies of their books on Site Reliability Engineering: https://landing.google.com/sre/book.html |
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