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| 11:21 | | * TheWatcher sighs, would rather like to throttle the people behind crontab implementations |
| 11:22 | <@TheWatcher> | Whoever thought it would be a good idea to make -r not require confirmation was a bit of a dick. |
| 11:47 | < Emmy> | nah, just an idiot for assuming competence |
| 11:49 | <@TheWatcher> | Or, y'know, assuming that people never typo `crontab -e` as `crontab -r`, because it's not like the keys are right next to each other or anything |
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| 13:58 | <@ErikMesoy> | I have two Windows machines physically on the same table next to each other, and I wish to transfer very many files from one to the other. The files are distributed in different folders, so collecting on USB will be possible but a nuisance when it comes to preserving structure and relation. What else can you suggest for simple direct transfer? |
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| 13:59 | <@TheWatcher> | ErikMesoy: ethernet cable between the two, set static IPs, use a share to transfer the files between them? |
| 14:08 | <@ErikMesoy> | Right. I know I had some cables somewhere around here. |
| 14:27 | < Vorntastic> | Something something crossover cables |
| 14:27 | <@TheWatcher> | Don't need crossovers anymore |
| 14:28 | < Vorntastic> | Oh good |
| 14:28 | < Vorntastic> | 'cause that blew |
| 14:31 | <@TheWatcher> | (since about 2005 pretty much all ethernet controllers have done auto MDI-X, so yeah, crossovers are redundant) |
| 14:31 | < Vorntastic> | \o/ |
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| 17:18 | | * AnnoDomini gets mail to start working. |
| 17:18 | <@AnnoDomini> | Immediately spammed by dozens upon dozens of cron messages. |
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| 17:43 | | * AnnoDomini wonders if he should or should not disregard the mass of warnings about PHP being unable to load ldap.so and imap.so for cleanup jobs. |
| 17:49 | | * AnnoDomini makes a filter that puts cron into cron. |
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| 19:46 | | * McMartin mutters at socket code |
| 19:46 | <&McMartin> | This code becomes much worse on Windows, but mainly because Windows has much better async I/O options by default but they don't play at all well with the BSD sockets API :( |
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| 20:49 | <&jeroud> | I'm much happier since I stopped trying to do network stuff in Python and started trying to do it in Elixir. |
| 20:54 | <&McMartin> | External factors here are constraining me to C. :( |
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| 21:16 | <&jerith> | Socket programming in Python is rather more terrible than in most other languages. |
| 21:17 | <&McMartin> | Right. |
| 21:17 | <&McMartin> | And the traditional C socekt APIs do not play well with multithreaded applications, because it assumed fork() without exec() was both basically free an an entirely reasonable thing to do all the time |
| 21:18 | <&McMartin> | *and an |
| 21:18 | <&McMartin> | This interacts very poorly with other sorts of applications that need incidental network functionality, particuarly if you don't want to have to weave it manually into the core program loop. |
| 21:19 | <&McMartin> | So there's been quite a bit of diversity across operating systems in terms of how to extend BSD sockets to work well with the native asynchronous I/O capabilities, and they aren't all the same, and they're all much harder to use than BSD sockets. |
| 21:19 | <&McMartin> | The Windows side - which is what I happen to need at the moment - is extremely powerful and well integrated but it's also designed for the 10,000+ simultaneous connection case which is Not What I Want To Have To Deal With |
| 21:21 | <&McMartin> | (And it isn't the thing I really want, which is to be able to throw both a socket and a semaphore at Windows's equivalent of select()) |
| 21:23 | <&jerith> | :-/ |
| 21:23 | <&McMartin> | Well, OK |
| 21:24 | <&McMartin> | What I *really* want is for it to be legal in the BSD sockets API to cancel an infinite-wait accept() or recvfrom() by closing the socket in another thread |
| 21:24 | <&McMartin> | But this appears to be expressly "lol gl hf" |
| 21:28 | <@AnnoDomini> | I am beginning to understand why people hide PHP errors. |
| 21:30 | <&jerith> | PHP is a terrible terrible language. |
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| 22:15 | < Degi> | https://github.com/me-shaon/GLWTPL |
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| 23:07 | <@TheWatcher> | Degi: ... heh |
| 23:07 | <@TheWatcher> | I shall have to star that |
| 23:23 | <@Reiv> | ? |
| 23:24 | <&McMartin> | 14:15 < Degi> https://github.com/me-shaon/GLWTPL |
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| 23:27 | <@Reiv> | lol, perfect |
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