| --- Log opened Sat Jun 09 00:00:59 2018 |
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| 03:57 | <&[R]> | I want to build some FOSS software on my Mac (music player daemon specifically), what's the generally accepted means of getting a compiler for that purpose? |
| 04:22 | <&McMartin> | Install Xcode from the app store, start it once, when it asks you to let it install the commandline components, permit it |
| 04:22 | <&McMartin> | This will get you a fully up-to-date version of Clang and the macOS SDKs. |
| 04:23 | <&McMartin> | Clang also includes a bunch of aliases to gcc, g++, etc that will do any necessary compat-mode silliness. |
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| 04:38 | <&[R]> | Cool |
| 04:39 | <&McMartin> | There is Additional Ugliness if you want to build something outside of Xcode that you want to distribute as a binary to run on other people's Macs, but it sounds like you don't need that. |
| 04:39 | <&[R]> | Nope |
| 04:40 | <&[R]> | Just want to have an mpd instance on my network |
| 04:40 | <&McMartin> | Sounds good |
| 04:40 | <&McMartin> | brew might actually help you, there, too |
| 04:40 | <&McMartin> | brew fucks up your ability to compile for other systems but it's lovely on your own |
| 04:40 | <&[R]> | That's what I'd have looked into otherwise |
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| 04:44 | <&[R]> | Time to sign up for the Apple Store I guess |
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| 05:09 | <&[R]> | Oh right |
| 05:10 | <&[R]> | I can't because the App Store glitches out at sign-up |
| 05:22 | <@celticminstrel> | XD |
| 05:23 | <@celticminstrel> | How does brew do this exactly |
| 05:28 | <&McMartin> | https://xkcd.com/1987/ |
| 05:28 | <&McMartin> | Like this but for DLL search paths |
| 05:29 | <&McMartin> | In fact very literally like this; a bunch of the items on that graph are real things brew intrudes into your environment |
| 05:32 | <&[R]> | ... and my SSL library doesn't understand TLS1 so I can't install homebrew either |
| 05:32 | <&[R]> | Weeeee |
| 05:33 | <&McMartin> | hoorj |
| 05:33 | <&McMartin> | which version of macOS is this |
| 05:33 | <&[R]> | One of them is in fact "Homebrew Python (2.7)" |
| 05:33 | <&McMartin> | Yeah, and all the Cellar stuff is a brew thing |
| 05:34 | <&[R]> | 12.6.0 Darwin Kernel Version 12.6.0: Wed Mar 18 16:23:48 PDT 2015; root:xnu-2050.48.19~1/RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64 |
| 05:35 | <&McMartin> | ... is that Sierra? |
| 05:35 | <&[R]> | How do I check? |
| 05:35 | <&McMartin> | I have no idea how to map those to actual OS versions |
| 05:35 | <&McMartin> | I'd go to "About this Mac" from the apple menu in the upper left |
| 05:35 | <&McMartin> | Where there woul dbe something like a "macOS 10.13.5 (High Sierra)" or similar |
| 05:36 | <&[R]> | And it's not Sierra, that's what the App Store is offering to upgrade me to. |
| 05:36 | <&McMartin> | 10.13 High Sierra is the latest edition |
| 05:37 | <&[R]> | 10.8.5 |
| 05:37 | <&McMartin> | ... that is quite a distance |
| 05:37 | <&McMartin> | Yes, that will cause problems |
| 05:38 | <&McMartin> | That's been out of support for approximately three years. |
| 05:38 | <&[R]> | So I have the last kernel they compiled for this version it seems |
| 05:39 | <&McMartin> | So yeah, you are running "Mountain Lion" |
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| 05:50 | <@celticminstrel> | Don't really get that xkcd... |
| 05:51 | <&[R]> | Python likes to have code in many, many places |
| 05:51 | <@celticminstrel> | You can also download Xcode from the Apple developer site if you have a dev account. |
| 05:51 | <&[R]> | Throw homebrew and virtualenv into the equation and it just multiplies |
| 05:51 | <@celticminstrel> | It's how I managed to get the last revision of Xcode 4 when the latest was 5 or 6. |
| 05:52 | <&[R]> | A dev account sounds like it might be tied to an Apple ID |
| 05:52 | <@celticminstrel> | I think so, yeah. |
| 05:52 | <&[R]> | Remember: half of my issue is I don't have one, and signing up for one FAILS |
| 05:52 | <@celticminstrel> | Ah. |
| 05:52 | <@celticminstrel> | Okay then. |
| 05:52 | <@celticminstrel> | Did you try signing up for one on the website though or only from within an app? |
| 05:55 | <&[R]> | I tried to find out how from apple.com, ended up setting up an appointment for support to call me. Just googled "Apple ID" and found the creation page. |
| 05:55 | <&[R]> | Why there wasn't a clear way to do that from the home page is beyond me |
| 05:58 | <&[R]> | FFFFUCK |
| 05:58 | <&[R]> | Okay, so I have an Apple ID now |
| 05:58 | <&[R]> | I put it in, and the App Store asks me for more personal information |
| 05:59 | <&[R]> | I give it all that shit, and then once I put in my address I get the same error as before |
| 05:59 | <&[R]> | D: |
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| 06:02 | <&[R]> | Rebooked the apple support appointment |
| 06:07 | <&[R]> | Half tempted to see if I could get Linux on it. But that kind of defeats the purpose of why I have it. |
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| 14:55 | <&[R]> | Yay! Apple fixed something with my account and it works now |
| 14:58 | <&[R]> | +p |
| 14:58 | <@TheWatcher> | \o/ |
| 14:59 | <&[R]> | THE UPDATENING |
| 15:00 | <@TheWatcher> | Good luck! |
| 15:21 | <@celticminstrel> | I cannot believe that there is literally no way to disable USB wake on a Mac. Windows offers it as an option and can run on the exact same hardware. |
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| 15:36 | <@celticminstrel> | The only thing I can find though talks about editing something about DSDT and SSDT and I have no idea what that is or if I even have it. |
| 15:38 | <@celticminstrel> | (It seems to be a hackintosh forum.) |
| 15:40 | <@celticminstrel> | (So I figure they probably know what they're talking about, but in a way that's the problem.) |
| 15:41 | <&ToxicFrog> | celticminstrel: Secondary System Descriptor Table and Differentiated System Descriptor Table, parts of ACPI that define how the system responds to various power/input events. |
| 15:41 | <&ToxicFrog> | Presumably it's possible to flash a new DSDT or SSDT onto the motherboard that disables wake-on-USB that way. |
| 15:42 | <@celticminstrel> | So it's not something that I can really do myself easily then, probably... |
| 15:42 | <@celticminstrel> | (The reason I'm not sure I have it is because the posts are too new and my Mac is too old.) |
| 15:45 | <@celticminstrel> | (They seem to be posting something that looks like code but I suspect that may not be relevant to 10.7.) |
| 15:47 | <@celticminstrel> | ...apparently my computer doesn't comply with EU safety laws... o.O |
| 15:48 | <@celticminstrel> | Oh, not in too bad a way though. |
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| 18:10 | <@celticminstrel> | Pretty sure I've asked this before but WTH is "wired" memory and why could my code be leaking it... |
| 18:11 | <&ToxicFrog> | ...what's the context? |
| 18:11 | <&ToxicFrog> | I've never heard that term before. |
| 18:12 | <@celticminstrel> | It's displayed in the Activity Monitor. |
| 18:14 | <&ToxicFrog> | first hit for [OSX wired memory]: https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/31801/what-is-wired-memory |
| 18:14 | <&ToxicFrog> | tl;dr it's memory allocated by the kernel for things like page tables, the process/threat table, etc |
| 18:14 | <@celticminstrel> | After my game runs for awhile it gets up to like 2.5GB. Normally, it's pretty stable at around 500MB. |
| 18:15 | <@celticminstrel> | Not a priority to fix it but I do need to deal with it eventually... |
| 18:19 | <&ToxicFrog> | I don't know enough about the OSX kernel to offer suggestions, sadly. |
| 18:31 | <@celticminstrel> | None of this seems to leave any clue as to why it might be leaking. |
| 18:32 | <@celticminstrel> | Unless a memory leak in general leads to more wired memory to track it or something. |
| 18:34 | <&ToxicFrog> | It might, but I'd expect it to be really low overhead. |
| 18:34 | <&ToxicFrog> | Could you be leaking threads or file descriptors or subprocesses? |
| 18:34 | <@celticminstrel> | Not subprocesses. |
| 18:34 | <@celticminstrel> | Unsure on threads or file descriptors. |
| 18:34 | <@celticminstrel> | It doesn't seem likely but it's something I could try to investigate. |
| 18:35 | <@celticminstrel> | IIRC I'm using threads only in one place though and only for a short time on startup. |
| 18:35 | <@celticminstrel> | (That's not counting threads for audio and such that are set up by libraries.) |
| 18:35 | <@celticminstrel> | If it's threads I should be able to check in the debugger since that lists all the threads... |
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| 20:26 | <&[R]> | 17.6.0 Darwin Kernel Version 17.6.0: Tue May 8 15:22:16 PDT 2018; root:xnu-4570.61.1~1/RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64 |
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| 21:44 | <&ToxicFrog> | I find myself in the unfortunate position of needing to reimplement a subset of rsync using nothing but ssh, sh, tar, and busybox. |
| 21:45 | <&[R]> | Why can't you run rsync itself? |
| 21:46 | <&ToxicFrog> | Because the target system doesn't have rsync (or scp/sftp support, or I'd just use that) |
| 21:46 | <&[R]> | scp should work |
| 21:46 | <&ToxicFrog> | And this sounds like only marginally more work and much more fun than figuring out how to cross-compile rsync and all of its dependencies for the Kobo. |
| 21:46 | <&[R]> | Since it just uses commands |
| 21:46 | <&ToxicFrog> | scp is not supported by dropbear-sshd |
| 21:46 | <&ToxicFrog> | Or rather |
| 21:46 | <&[R]> | sftp is an entirely separate thing though |
| 21:46 | <&ToxicFrog> | sftp is not, and dropbear doesn't come with /usr/bin/scpo |
| 21:48 | <&ToxicFrog> | Trust me when I say I have done some minimal amount of research. dropbear does not have built in support for sftp, and koreader does not include the separate binaries needed to support any of scp, sftp, or rsync. |
| 21:53 | <&ToxicFrog> | There is no intrinsic reason why it couldn't, but I already have too many cross-compilers installed already. |
| 22:00 | <&ToxicFrog> | Oh god, sh on my local machine is aliased to bash, but I'm pretty sure sh on the other machine is either Bourne shell or an alias to busybox ash |
| 22:00 | <&ToxicFrog> | I bet there's at least one very spicy incompatibility between ash and bash's POSIX emulation mode |
| 22:02 | <&[R]> | Can you install dash? |
| 22:02 | <&[R]> | Or zsh? |
| 22:02 | <&[R]> | On your local machine |
| 22:08 | <&ToxicFrog> | Yes, but that doesn't help because I also have to execute code on the remote machine |
| 22:10 | <&ToxicFrog> | Unless you're suggesting running the entire command script locally and just executing find/stat/tar/etc on the remote |
| 22:11 | <&ToxicFrog> | I'm not sure if that would be better or worse; it would simplify implementation but might do bad things to performance. |
| 22:11 | <&ToxicFrog> | (or well, it would do bad things to performance, the question is how bad) |
| 22:19 | <&[R]> | No, I'm suggesting using those to find bashisms |
| 22:24 | <&ToxicFrog> | Aah |
| 22:24 | <&ToxicFrog> | I do all my development in zsh normally, but it's 99% a superset of bash, so it's not really helpful for this. |
| 22:30 | <&[R]> | It should have a different sh compatability mode though |
| 22:32 | <&[R]> | Hmm, found a data.data file on my Mac |
| 22:32 | <&[R]> | xxd shows it has what looks like a few records, with no file header. I see each "record" start with NSCR0006 |
| 22:32 | <&[R]> | Any ideas? |
| 22:35 | <&ToxicFrog> | NSCR is the magic for Nintendo DS screen resource data, but the following 0006 isn't a valid headr |
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| 23:40 | <&[R]> | Trying to figgure out plan9port's filesystem stuff. Supposedly plan9 had some kind of "all systems are part of one big whole" thing, but I'm not seeing how that was setup. Does plan9port not support that? Is Venti the only distributed FS it supports? |
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