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| 12:20 | < simon_> | I just got a job offer with a 25% pay rise and a switch from Perl to C#. :o |
| 12:30 | < Degi> | Nice |
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| 15:09 | <@mac> | simon_: You may leave the Perl, but it shall never leave you. Your soul shall forever be stained by the touch of the squibbly tentacled things which dwell there. |
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| 15:40 | | * TheWatcher nocomments |
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| 17:51 | <&[R]> | "I always understood Access should only be used by organizations that do not want to make money, have productive employees, or actually accomplish anything." |
| 17:55 | | * Emmy is a productive, accomplishes money and organizes access! |
| 18:01 | <@ErikMesoy> | Is Emmy a human resource? |
| 18:02 | < Emmy> | 'human' |
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| 23:36 | <&McMartin> | Man |
| 23:37 | <&McMartin> | Looking over the old consoles I've messed with, and a particular console I've messed with but not in the past four years... |
| 23:37 | <&McMartin> | ... the line between Harvard and von Neumann architectures got blurry. |
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| 23:46 | <@Reiv> | ... could you explain these architectures to me? |
| 23:46 | <@Reiv> | Because right now I have visions of oldschool Harvard style construction on one side |
| 23:46 | <@Reiv> | And a bridge made of Replicants on the other |
| 23:49 | <&McMartin> | I am in fact totally making that joke in my article~ |
| 23:49 | <&McMartin> | But no, a von Neumann machine is what we traditionally think of as a computer; one where code is data and they live in the same space, more or less |
| 23:50 | <&McMartin> | A strict harvard machine, the program comes from mysterious outside source that is inaccessible to the program itself, and the data space is all the processor really sees. |
| 23:50 | <&McMartin> | If there even is a processor; Harvard machines were sometimes just fancy logic circuits on the "program" side. |
| 23:51 | <&McMartin> | This swiftly became the "modified Harvard machine", where it's a processor, and there's a special data bus to the "program", which is basically a set of instructions to execute. Modern modified harvard systems (like the Arduino's chip) even have special instructions that lead you read values out of the program space, to keep fixed data tables there etc. |
| 23:52 | <&McMartin> | ... it turns out to be surprisingly difficult to distinguish this from "a von Neumann computer that is running a program off a ROM cartridge." |
| 23:52 | <&McMartin> | The gets-most-of-it answer is "there are two data buses in modified Harvard, one to the program, one to the data, so there's no need for synchronization or consistent bit width of instructions vs. register sizes, etc" |
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| 23:52 | <&McMartin> | But then it turns out the Game Boy Advance is a corner case there, too, because it's got 16-bit-wide ROM and 32-bit-wide RAM |
| 23:56 | <&McMartin> | And because of the way that chip worked, you could write routines intended to run off the cartridge, or be copied to RAM and run there |
| 23:56 | <&McMartin> | And they would be in two completely different instruction sets |
| 23:57 | <&McMartin> | 32-bit ARM was wacky |
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