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| 06:51 | <&[R]> | Is it just me or does tmpfilesd seem like the stupidest thing ever? |
| 06:51 | <&[R]> | If you delete certain files, it'll copy the files from somewhere else... but it's named *tmp*filesd. |
| 06:51 | <&[R]> | Also WTF is even the use-case? |
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| 12:07 | <@Tamber> | OCR is a bit hit and miss. More miss than hit. https://i.imgur.com/vaeZUmn.png becoming https://i.imgur.com/1InyVxP.png |
| 12:07 | <@Tamber> | oop |
| 12:07 | <@Tamber> | off my one error on my windows. XD |
| 12:08 | <@Tamber> | Have the context for it, though: <<Worst thing about digital manuals is when it's just 800 pages of "scan to PDF", so every page is an unsearchable image. :(>> <<Look into OCR'ing the documents!>> |
| 12:23 | < Vorntastic> | Oh God ew |
| 12:23 | <@Tamber> | (Thankfully, the one I have is only 590 pages of scan to pdf) |
| 12:23 | <@Tamber> | (Only.) |
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| 17:20 | <&[R]> | Fuck people who send data via scanned documents |
| 17:20 | <&[R]> | Had to do data entry because someone printed out some tabular data and faxed it. Twenty pages of the stuff :/ |
| 17:21 | <@Tamber> | Bleh |
| 17:21 | <&[R]> | 19 columns, 4 of which were 30+ length numbers (serials) |
| 17:22 | <@Tamber> | >.< |
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| 18:26 | <&ToxicFrog> | The sqlite developers appear to have gone insane: http://www.sqlite.org/codeofconduct.html |
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| 18:46 | <@Pi> | Wat. |
| 18:49 | <&McMartin> | I assume this is exasperation with https://www.rust-lang.org/en-US/conduct.html which in turn I suspect is a response to incidents of would-be Nazis invading their IRC channels. |
| 18:49 | <&McMartin> | Er, "with things like" |
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| 18:52 | <@Pi> | McMartin: exasperation with? |
| 18:53 | <&McMartin> | So, if we go by The Discourse, I believe we now conclude that everyone on the SQLite team is a rapist |
| 18:53 | | * Vornicus examines the sqlite thing, determines it to be relatively wat, now examines rust's, which is ...boring |
| 18:53 | <@ErikMesoy> | > We interpret the term “harassment” as including the definition in the [Citizen Code of Conduct] |
| 18:53 | <@ErikMesoy> | this link appears unreachable |
| 18:54 | <&McMartin> | Because they saw the spread of things like Rust's, which I'm linking as representative, and see them as direct threats |
| 18:54 | <@Pi> | The Rust one looks pretty conventional, at first glance? |
| 18:54 | <&McMartin> | It totally is. |
| 18:55 | <&McMartin> | But the idea that programming languages and system software should have such things is relatively new, and this is producing some pushback |
| 18:55 | <&McMartin> | The traditional answer, if one is prone to Get Mad At People On The Internet, is to conclude that this is because they recognize such things as threats to them |
| 18:55 | <@ErikMesoy> | "And if someone takes issue with something you said or did, resist the urge to be defensive. Just stop doing what it was they complained about and apologize. Even if you feel you were misinterpreted or unfairly accused, chances are good there was something you could’ve communicated better — remember that it’s your responsibility to make your fellow Rustaceans comfortable." |
| 18:55 | <@Pi> | So the SQLite one is intended to be an intentionally ridiculous statement against CoCs? |
| 18:56 | <@Pi> | That's… pretty sad, if so. |
| 18:56 | <&McMartin> | Having just learned about the SQLite one five minutes ago, that is how I am interpreting it. |
| 18:56 | <@Pi> | If that's the case, it dramatically downgrades my opinion of the SQLite team. :( |
| 18:56 | <@ErikMesoy> | that particular bit of the Rust code smells of a certain segment of Discourse too |
| 18:56 | <&McMartin> | Because that's more plausible than it being an honest statement of principles or the result of a psychotic break |
| 18:57 | <&McMartin> | Rust is still small enough that it needs one, IMO, while SQLite is small but pervasive enough that it doesn't/can't. |
| 18:57 | <&McMartin> | The issue here is that Rust *needs* a core community that keeps the language in use and developing still. |
| 18:58 | <&McMartin> | C does not; people form communities around C, not *for* C. |
| 18:58 | <@Pi> | No project is too big or too small to have a CoC, IMHO. |
| 18:58 | <@ErikMesoy> | Half of that section seems merely poorly-phrased good advice about keeping a cool head and not escalating an argument, but "Just stop doing what it was they complained about" seems like an overreaction to some terrible past incident |
| 18:58 | <@Pi> | Software is made of feelings, after all. |
| 18:58 | <&McMartin> | JavaScript is an endless tub of chaotic despair at the human and API level, which is why node keeps getting reinvented every week |
| 18:58 | <@ErikMesoy> | Someone didn't want to stop in the past, so this practically Polish Veto rule comes up as a kludge |
| 18:59 | <&McMartin> | Pi: That's the whole point for C, though. C isn't a "project" any more. Neither is JS. Rust still is. |
| 18:59 | <&[R]> | Eh? |
| 18:59 | <&[R]> | Node is /very/ stable |
| 18:59 | <@Pi> | (In this sense: https://glyph.twistedmatrix.com/2014/09/ungineering.html ) |
| 18:59 | <&[R]> | In terms of API and such |
| 18:59 | <&McMartin> | It is. And people keep making New Node projects every week with insane churn |
| 18:59 | <&McMartin> | Node itself has indeed persisted |
| 19:00 | <&[R]> | Yeah, but that's the same for web frameworks too |
| 19:00 | <&McMartin> | It Sure Is. |
| 19:00 | <~Vornicus> | I still don't fucking get why anyone at all would want Node |
| 19:00 | <&McMartin> | That's why "JS Programmers" can't have a CoC; they're not coherent enough to be a community. |
| 19:01 | <&McMartin> | ErikMesoy: I'd gotten a general vibe from Rust's CoC that it was a reaction to some past incident, but I hadn't been able to pinpoint anything as directly as you had. |
| 19:01 | < [> | blegh @ that post |
| 19:01 | <&[R]> | I find node to be much nicer to work with than say Python |
| 19:02 | <~Vornicus> | (at the same time I find myself often ignoring the fuck out of web frameworks and working in raw DOM commands 'cause I'm crazy) |
| 19:02 | <&[R]> | Vanilla.js style yeah |
| 19:02 | <&McMartin> | And @Pi: Yeah, I'm pretty sure that will only win them friends they in the end would prefer to not have. |
| 19:03 | <@ErikMesoy> | I'm a bit curious about the enforcement of that rule from the Rust CoC now. It seems like it would require a *very* small and tight-knit community to not end up as a Polish Parliament deal. |
| 19:05 | <&McMartin> | ... I'm p. sure Rust mostly is. |
| 19:05 | <&McMartin> | It had an incredibly high barrier to entry |
| 19:05 | <&McMartin> | And they're still at a point where "how can this be used in reasonable workflows" is a thing that works. |
| 19:06 | <&McMartin> | As a question to focus everyone, that is. |
| 19:07 | <&McMartin> | The project started like 8 years ago, and it's only been a usable langugae for like 3 |
| 19:07 | <&McMartin> | I don't think that CoC as-is will survive another five years, but that's OK, the needs of communities change over time |
| 19:08 | <&McMartin> | And the ultimate goal will be that people independently form their own communities that use the language, which then relegates what is now "the rust community" to what has become, say, "the gcc steering committee" |
| 19:15 | <&McMartin> | https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/03/thousands-of-servers-found-leaking-750-mb-worth-of-passwords-and-keys/ |
| 19:16 | <&McMartin> | TIL that "etcd" exists, and that it is exactly as terrifying as the name "etcd" implies |
| 19:20 | <&[R]> | I am so glad I never got into CoreOS |
| 19:21 | <&[R]> | (That's where etcd is from |
| 19:21 | <&McMartin> | Aha |
| 19:21 | <&McMartin> | hrm. I've heard of most of the rest of the CoreOS techs. |
| 19:21 | <&McMartin> | Somehow that one slipped through |
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| 19:23 | <&[R]> | Yeah, I was half interested in etcd when I was first looking at it, but a hard dependency on systemd turned me away |
| 19:23 | <&[R]> | Kind of not surprised it's completely ignorant of basic security principles |
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| 20:01 | <&[R]> | Looks like etcd is meant to be a high-consitiency key-value store (also they dropped the stupid dependency) |
| 20:07 | <&[R]> | Yeah, and like MongoDB it /does/ support login and authentication, just not enabled by default? (Which is stupid) |
| 20:08 | <@Tamber> | Not really a fault in etcd, just in configuration and use. |
| 20:09 | <&[R]> | Aye |
| 20:12 | <@ErikMesoy> | A user keeps submitting oddly-formatted questions and instructions; looking at them in BBcode instead of rich text editor, I see a hell of a lot of apparently-pointless tags like [left][font=something][color=hexcode] Question The User Has About [/color] [i] [color=hexcode] Italicized Thing [/color] [/i] [/font][/left] |
| 20:13 | <@ErikMesoy> | I'm guessing some kind of browser/app/reader that Helpfully and Autocorrectively inserts bullshit in the text field. Anyone seen this pattern of crud before? |
| 20:16 | <@Tamber> | Could also possibly be a user used to somewhere else that *does* use those BBCode tags, trying to use them there? |
| 20:18 | <&[R]> | Some things support copy/pasting rich-text, which has to be converted from one format to another |
| 20:19 | <@ErikMesoy> | Tamber: Possibly a habit, I suppose, but several of them like [left] are redundant. Deliberately inserting redundant tags would require an odd combination of planned knowledge and obliviousness. |
| 20:20 | <@ErikMesoy> | Also breaking up the [/color] to put [i] and then resuming in same [color] immediately. |
| 20:20 | <&McMartin> | I like R's theory, since I have had to Contend With TextEdit.app |
| 20:21 | <&McMartin> | I don't know if it does exactly this, but convincing it that I wanted just ascii text from a document with stripping it down to "convert to .txt file" has been an adventure more than once |
| 20:22 | <@ErikMesoy> | [R]: OK, I can definitely imagine the user drafting in a different text editor program and then the copy-paste being very silly with rich text. |
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| 20:30 | < [> | browser plugin maybe? and it's confusing your page w/ one that supports bbcode |
| 20:31 | <&McMartin> | I don't remember [leftt] being in bbcode |
| 20:31 | <@ErikMesoy> | The page in question does support bbcode |
| 20:31 | <&McMartin> | that sounds rtfy |
| 20:31 | <@ErikMesoy> | These things render nicely, I was only alerted to them because of the [font] tag being different from standard font. |
| 20:32 | <&McMartin> | Oh hm. Could it be some wacky *post*processing by the app? |
| 20:37 | <&[R]> | ErikMesoy: I know for a fact that people do that, since MS Word is notorious for shoving a ton of CSS infront of any such paste. |
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