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| 07:27 | < opal> | ARE YOU MAD THOSE NIGGERS ARE TRYING TO STOP TRUMP?? |
| 07:27 | < opal> | EMERGENCY KKK AND NAZI COALITION MEETING IN #/JOIN |
| 07:27 | < opal> | ON FREENODE IRC SERVER --IRC.FREENODE.NET-- |
| 07:28 | < opal> | FREENODE IS AWARE OF THE GROUP AND SUPPORTIVE BUT PLEASE |
| 07:28 | < opal> | DON'T COMPLAIN ON #FREENODE. |
| 07:28 | < opal> | simon_ Alek macdjord ErikMesoy Syloq Tamber VirusJTG JustBob abudhabi gnolam iospace McMartin Pandevornium Reiver Attilla PinkFreud himi jeroud jerith TheWatcher Mahal Derakon[AFK] Pi crystalclaw Orthia Kizor [R] ktemkin ToxicFrog Kindamoody[zZz] Jessikat` |
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| 08:11 | < simon_> | we interrupt these messages with a short service announcement. |
| 08:12 | | * Pandevornium plays the emergency alert system noise |
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| 16:23 | | * ToxicFrog | Like everything else in UI land, the ratio of ceremony to outcome is several orders of magnitude, but once you get past all the flappers and grody macrology it wasn't that complicated. |
| 16:41 | <&ToxicFrog> | this is a wild ride: https://marcan.st/2017/12/debugging-an-evil-go-runtime-bug/ |
| 17:45 | < simon_> | # We have to use $supcatid -1000000 as all (i.e. no search filter), since 0 is the front page and some negative numbers are also in use |
| 17:46 | < simon_> | this comment was written by a guy who takes a day off a week to work on his Standard ML startup. the language from which I know the 'a option type. |
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| 21:57 | <&[R]> | LoginUserExExW |
| 21:57 | <&[R]> | Guess which company wrote the API that function is in |
| 21:58 | <&McMartin> | One with a better understanding of how to segregate unicode vs nonunicode compliance than Gentoo did |
| 21:58 | <&[R]> | Can that blame be put on POSIX? |
| 21:59 | <&McMartin> | No, it was USE flags. |
| 21:59 | <&[R]> | Oh? What bug? |
| 22:01 | <&McMartin> | Basically "Not all programs actually compiled with USE=unicode, or without it, and depended arbitrarily on other packages agreeing with them" |
| 22:07 | <&ToxicFrog> | this is a new but completely unsurprising failure mode to me |
| 22:07 | <&McMartin> | You may recall my old adage about how wxWidgets was not so much a widget library as a test suite for compiler error messages? |
| 22:07 | <&ToxicFrog> | Indeed. |
| 22:08 | <&ToxicFrog> | (this has also been my experience with it, although wxwidgets bindings to other languages were actually pretty nice iff you could get away with using someone else's binary packages for wx itself everywhere you wanted to deploy) |
| 22:08 | <&McMartin> | That turns out to have pretty much been 100% this, from a combination of Gentoo's anarchic inconsistency on USE=UNICODE and wxWidgets looking at Microsoft's multibyte-vs-unicode API split and not understanding it in the least. |
| 22:08 | <&McMartin> | But then trying to copy it |
| 22:08 | <&McMartin> | See also Gnome looking at OS X desktops |
| 22:10 | <&McMartin> | wx started working fine once I switched to Fedora Core~ |
| 22:10 | <&McMartin> | Even used it professionally for about a month before that project converted to Qt4 |
| 22:10 | <&McMartin> | Qt4 remains the least spiderful GUI toolkit I've ever used. |
| 22:11 | <&McMartin> | Well |
| 22:11 | <&McMartin> | I guess it's still made of spiders |
| 22:11 | <&McMartin> | But the spiders were far less venomous than usual. |
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| 22:25 | <&ToxicFrog> | l;;;;;;;;;;;;; |
| 22:26 | <&McMartin> | Is that a weeping spider? |
| 22:26 | <&[R]> | ;;-;; is a weeping spider |
| 22:30 | <&ToxicFrog> | It's a cat. |
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