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| 04:44 | <&[R]> | "Mozilla engineers are discussing plans to remove support for a state-operated Dutch TLS/HTTPS provider after the Dutch government has voted a new law that grants local authorities the power to intercept Internet communications using "false keys". If the plan is approved, Firefox will not trust certificates issued by the Staat der Nederlanden (State of the Netherlands) Certificate Authority (CA)..." From the "did not think this plan through" department |
| 04:54 | | * Alek golfclaps. |
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| 05:31 | <@celticminstrel> | Which part is the "didn't think it through" |
| 05:35 | < Vornlicious> | The bit where now Dutch certs won't work anyway so SSL spoofing is avoided |
| 05:35 | <@celticminstrel> | So the Dutch were the ones who didn't think it through. Yeah, that makes sense. |
| 05:39 | <&[R]> | Yes |
| 05:40 | <&[R]> | Moz and Chrome have been pretty on the ball of "you do shady shit as a CA and we'll dump you like the toxic shit you are" |
| 05:40 | <@Pi> | You have *one job*. |
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| 10:13 | < Vorntastic> | What's your major malfunction tonight |
| 10:22 | <@TheWatcher> | Oh, missing 6 pixels of margin screwing everything up. |
| 10:29 | < Vorntastic> | Yes |
| 10:29 | < Vorntastic> | Margin sucks sometimes |
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| 17:00 | < ErikMesoy> | Me: Browser, go to this website. Tablet: Do you want me to complete the action using the browser or the website owner's app? Me: The browser. Tablet: Do you want me to complete the action using the browser or the website owner's app? Me: THIS IS WHY I USE A PC. |
| 17:00 | < ErikMesoy> | Browser: Have a crippled version of the site with giant invitation to Get App! instead of functionality buttons. |
| 17:08 | < domtron> | bleg. I know how you feel. x.x |
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| 17:49 | <&jeroud> | ErikMesoy: Thanks for reminding me to fix my irccloud config to actually open URLs in the browser instead of the app. |
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| 18:33 | <@Tamber> | ErikMesoy, especially when the "App" is just a case of "Look, we want *you* to handle the burden of our hosting, m'kay? So it's just the website, but now stuck on your phone." |
| 19:11 | <&McMartin> | How can you tell the difference between that and literally any app written to Electron |
| 19:11 | <@Tamber> | There's a difference? |
| 19:11 | <@Tamber> | :p |
| 19:11 | <&McMartin> | That's my question |
| 19:11 | <&McMartin> | It feels strange to say that, say, Visual Studio Code is me handling the burden of their hosting |
| 19:12 | <&McMartin> | There's a line, and on one side it's "handling the burden of their hosting", and on the other it's "no, fuck you, The Cloud" |
| 19:12 | <@Tamber> | hehe |
| 19:12 | <&jeroud> | Isn't Electron based on a rather old Chrome these days? |
| 19:13 | <&McMartin> | I'm sure it's been fourteen generations of javascript full-stack technology or so since I checked |
| 19:13 | <&McMartin> | Since it was, like, two weeks |
| 19:14 | <&jeroud> | Tamber: The problem I have there is less about hosting and that the app usually manages to be significantly worse than the website. |
| 19:14 | <@Tamber> | *nods* |
| 19:14 | <&jeroud> | So many apps manage this. |
| 19:15 | <&jeroud> | Some of them in ways that probably took significant effort and creativity. |
| 19:19 | < ErikMesoy> | I'm inclined to disagree on the "creativity" bit because I've recently been through a particularly dense set of experiences with people who decide to Reinvent The Wheel and manage to Reinvent The Flat Tyre and then get stuck on Reinventing The Screwjack. |
| 19:20 | < ErikMesoy> | Effort, certainly, but it's very easy to make a worse product simply by reinventing it badly because the reinvention does not take into account all the issues that a current version has solved already. |
| 19:20 | < ErikMesoy> | Especially if some of those solutions were clever things that required creativity to think of in the first place, and the reinventor kluges around them instead. |
| 20:00 | <&jeroud> | Sure, but when the existing solution is "stick the content of this part of the page in an HTML widget" and you try to recreate that with custom native controls or whatever... |
| 20:14 | < ErikMesoy> | Then clearly it must be reinvented anyway, because reasons. |
| 20:16 | <@Tamber> | Because Progress™ |
| 20:17 | <@Tamber> | (FWIW, it is a good thing that various people throughout history reinvented the wheel; else life would be uncomfortable today. However, it is usually better if one improves the thing one is reinventing.) |
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| 20:21 | <&jeroud> | Yeah. I've certainly done my share of reinventing badly. |
| 20:22 | <&jeroud> | But I don't actually push those disasters to production and inflict them on innocents. |
| 20:22 | <@Tamber> | I continue to reinvent badly, frequently. It can be quite educational. |
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| 20:30 | < Degi> | I just gave up on installing i3-gaps on debian and now am back on windows out of frustration and habit. |
| 20:30 | <&jeroud> | My deepest sympathies. |
| 20:31 | | * Degi installs dependencies one by one depending on what pops up as an error in a program, then realizes that all dependencies are listed on the web page. |
| 20:31 | <&jeroud> | I was right about a promising distributed storage system today, which made me sad. |
| 20:34 | <@Tamber> | now a dead project? |
| 20:34 | <&jeroud> | No, very much alive. |
| 20:35 | <&jeroud> | Supports exactly one set of client credentials. |
| 20:35 | < Mahal> | .......... |
| 20:36 | <&jeroud> | The documented way to have multi-tenancy is to run a process for each user. |
| 20:36 | <@Tamber> | *facepalm* |
| 20:37 | <&jeroud> | There are even example configs for two different load balancers to route requests based on auth headers. |
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| 20:41 | < Mahal> | Ouch |
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| 21:10 | <&jeroud> | Meh. It would hurt more if I weren't a cynical veteran of the industry and used to such things. |
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