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| 07:20 | < sat> | gv4z277ijqyn7uenr5pdvsovoawibwcjtlqgkxkfifdcs7csshpq.b32.i2p |
| 07:20 | < sat> | (accessible with tunnel) |
| 07:20 | < sat> | http://lvb6wabr3fuv7l2lmmaj33jwh7ntb7uuhmfmluc7hwtf6rm36k6q.b32.i2p/ |
| 07:20 | < sat> | (kiwi client on webpage) |
| 07:20 | < sat> | ErikMesoy TheWatcher jeroud Vornicus Kizor Attilla Syloq crystalclaw iospace Derakon[AFK] gnolam Alek ricer ToxicFrog JustBob Namegduf Pi Tamber abudhabi Mahal himi PinkFreud [R] McMartin simon_ jerith Reiver mac Orthia Jessikat` Kindamoody[zZz] ktemkin bowlich |
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| 16:17 | < simon_> | I feel like there might be a better word for 'customizability'. |
| 16:22 | <&[R]> | In what context? |
| 16:41 | <@ErikMesoy> | Plasticity? |
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| 16:49 | <@Syloq> | Masturbationism? |
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| 17:49 | <@abudhabi> | Hm. Does Discord have an IRC interface? |
| 17:52 | < ToxicFrog> | abudhabi: not officially, but it has an API that people have used to write an IRC bridge for it, which I have been using |
| 17:53 | <@abudhabi> | How do I hook it up to my screen+irssi? :V |
| 17:53 | < ToxicFrog> | https://github.com/reactiflux/discord-irc |
| 17:53 | < ToxicFrog> | You run it locally and connect to localhost:xxxx from irssi |
| 17:54 | <@abudhabi> | Sounds good. |
| 17:55 | < ToxicFrog> | Actually connecting it requires you to open Discord in the browser to get an API key, which you then set as your password for that server in irssi and away you go |
| 17:55 | < ToxicFrog> | (if you have multiple discords you want to connect to, run one discord-ircd instance and then connect to it multiple times from irssi with different passwords) |
| 17:56 | <@abudhabi> | Thanks. |
| 17:56 | <@abudhabi> | I'll do that one of these days, when I have some spare time. |
| 18:02 | <&[R]> | I find it doesn't maintain the connection well, and has to be restarted every so often |
| 18:02 | <@gnolam> | simon_: if you're looking for enterprisese, "flexibility". |
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| 18:36 | < ToxicFrog> | [R]: I've never had to restart it, but I have gotten a lot of "Reconnecting to discord..." NOTICE spam |
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| 18:50 | <&[R]> | Interesting |
| 18:51 | <&[R]> | I've had it stop relaying messages a number of times |
| 18:51 | <&[R]> | As Erik can attest |
| 18:52 | <&[R]> | TIL: atest and attest are both words |
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| 19:14 | <@Alek> | hrm. |
| 19:15 | <@Alek> | atest isn't in the Queen's English. |
| 19:15 | <@Alek> | so uh. *shrugs* |
| 19:25 | <@gnolam> | "When thou atest the date, and threwest aside the stone, it struck my son upon the chest, and, as fate had decreed against him, he instantly died." |
| 19:54 | <@Alek> | ate. :P |
| 19:55 | <@Alek> | took me a moment to parse. |
| 19:55 | <@Alek> | middle English, not in the modern dictionary nor usage. |
| 19:55 | <@Alek> | afaiui |
| 19:59 | < Vornicus> | what's this, jesus christ and the negligent homicide |
| 20:00 | <&[R]> | I don't even think that's the right usage of atest. Looks like they meant attest... |
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| 20:01 | < Vornicus> | "atest" clearly means "the most at" |
| 20:01 | < Vornicus> | Verb. atest. (archaic) second-person singular simple past form of eat. or apparently that |
| 20:05 | <&[R]> | Actually, wait. A date is a fruit |
| 20:05 | <&[R]> | So yeah, that sentence could actually be correct |
| 20:05 | < Vornicus> | there we go |
| 20:05 | <@Tamber> | :) |
| 20:16 | <@Alek> | ate the fruit and threw the pit at the son. |
| 20:18 | <@gnolam> | CSI: Crime Scene Ifrits. |
| 20:18 | <@gnolam> | (Actually: The Thousand and One Nights, The Story of the Merchant and the Jinni.) |
| 20:21 | <&[R]> | "A welathy merchant, resting along his journey, eats some dates and throws away the stones. A fearsome jinni appears in a rage, saying that one of the date stones struck and killed the jinni's son. Although the merchant protests that he didn't do it on purpose, the jinni is intent on killing him. Finally the merchant swears to return to this place in one year, if he can have that time to set his affairs in order and say goodbye to his loved ones. " |
| 20:21 | <&[R]> | Woo! I was right |
| 20:22 | <&[R]> | "explains that the gazelle is actually his wife (and cousin), transform[e]d" |
| 20:22 | <&[R]> | Riiiiiiiight |
| 20:26 | <@ErikMesoy> | Cousin marriage is fairly common in that part of the world |
| 20:26 | <&[R]> | I was more commenting on the "the goat's my wife I swear!" aspect |
| 20:30 | <@ErikMesoy> | Well, animal transformation is also very common the Thousand and One Nights. |
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| 20:30 | <&[R]> | Yeah |
| 20:30 | <&[R]> | All three of the wisemen had transformed people |
| 20:31 | <&[R]> | Two of the four transformed people had transformed other people themselves |
| 20:31 | <@ErikMesoy> | I had a great collection of them in Norwegian when I was younger. |
| 20:32 | <@ErikMesoy> | One that sticks in my head for some reason is the story of lots and lots of people having panic-induced kicking the can down the road: unfortunate sod after unfortunate sod suddenly finds themselves with a corpse on their hands, oh no, quick, let's hide it on some other unfortunate sod's property so they'll get the blame! |
| 20:33 | <@ErikMesoy> | Story is then told backwards from the perspective of the investigator who has increasingly Had It Up To Here hearing the chain of excuses while trying to track the original murderer. |
| 20:33 | <&[R]> | And then it turns out the original was entirely accidental? |
| 20:33 | <&[R]> | Making the entire thing a complete waste of time? |
| 20:34 | <@ErikMesoy> | Well, yes, the guy had originally choked to death on a fishbone and his hosts hid the corpse for fear of being blamed, but it gets worse (or better, depending on your point of view) |
| 20:35 | <@ErikMesoy> | Apparently *he wasn't even really dead*, just comatose or something. Because the story ends with a clever doctor doing Medieval Heimlich Maneuver or something, pulling out the fishbone, and the guy gets up again. |
| 20:35 | <@ErikMesoy> | Happy ending all around! |
| 20:36 | <&[R]> | Except for a massive amount of distributed and unwarranted stress |
| 20:36 | <@ErikMesoy> | Well, yes. |
| 20:39 | <@macdjord> | [R]: Given these are all people who saw a body and decided the best thing to do with it was /frame somebody else/ I'd say the stress is entirely warranted. |
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| 20:43 | < Jessikat> | I found a bug in our std::vector implementation today |
| 20:43 | < Jessikat> | it was exciting |
| 20:43 | < ToxicFrog> | macdjord: the whole ball of yarn starts unraveling when person N sees person N-1 about to be hanged for the murder and confesses to passing off the corpse on them |
| 20:43 | <&[R]> | The local cop could've been known to be lazy and prone to arresting the first suspect regardless of how suspect their case was. |
| 20:43 | <@macdjord> | ToxicFrog: Alright, /that/ guy gets a pass. |
| 20:44 | <~Vornicus> | Jessikat: Great now I'm curious |
| 20:45 | <@macdjord> | [R]: That gets the off from not reporting the crime. It does not get them off from /dealing with it by getting someone else in the same trouble/. |
| 20:45 | <@ErikMesoy> | TBF it's years since I read the story so it might been more "aaah get it away" than "let's deliberately frame someone". |
| 20:45 | <@ErikMesoy> | *might have been |
| 20:46 | <@ErikMesoy> | It's the can-kicking and What Is This Chain Of Bullshit that sticks in my head. |
| 20:46 | < ToxicFrog> | macdjord: those people, since that statement is true for all N |
| 20:47 | <~Vornicus> | frameups are crimes too |
| 20:48 | <@macdjord> | ToxicFrog: Then I'd say they still deserve the stress for having gotten someone into trouble like that - the fact they got him out again just means they don't deserve /worse/. |
| 20:48 | < ToxicFrog> | Well, yes |
| 20:48 | < ToxicFrog> | IIRC the sultan requires each of them to tell a story more interesting than the story of how they all ended up passing a corpse around to escape punishment |
| 20:56 | <@ErikMesoy> | That sounds like a great combination of karmic punishment with metaplot advancement. |
| 20:57 | < ToxicFrog> | the_arabian_nights.txt |
| 20:59 | < ToxicFrog> | This is also the container story for the Tale of the Barber, which itself contains six other stories, each one more tedious and pointless than the last |
| 21:01 | <@ErikMesoy> | goodharts_law.txt |
| 21:02 | < ToxicFrog> | As even the characters in the stories realize and the Tale of the Barber ends with the sultan telling him to shut up and never speak again on pain of death, IIRC |
| 21:02 | < ToxicFrog> | (and actually the_arabian_nights.txt is "don't get married, don't free djinni, and especially don't let djinni plan your wedding") |
| 21:03 | <@ErikMesoy> | Hah. |
| 21:07 | <&[R]> | That one guy with the greyhounds seems to have gotten along fine with his djinni wife |
| 21:08 | <@ErikMesoy> | ToxicFrog: Also, "don't be a redshirt". Because thinking about it 1001N may be an early case of proto-red-shirting where Named Protagonist goes on Dangerous Adventure after Dangerous Adventure and gets home usually safe and sound with great riches and treasures, but the Dangerousness of the adventure is shown by killing off countless sailors, caravaneers, etc. |
| 21:09 | <@ErikMesoy> | Eventually the odds really should catch up to Captain Kirk instead of everything knowing to eat the redshirt first. |
| 21:10 | <&[R]> | Oh wait, he didn't marry the djinni |
| 21:10 | <&[R]> | But every djinni he met had helped him out |
| 21:10 | <&[R]> | Mind you, that guy was basically luck incarnate |
| 22:39 | <&[R]> | http://georgemauer.net/2017/10/07/csv-injection.html |
| 22:48 | <&jerith> | [R]: Wow. |
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| 23:59 | <@Syloq> | [R]; thanks for the information. Now time to prank coworkers... |
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