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| 15:02 | <@gnolam> | God I love it when your customers are on vacation. |
| 15:02 | <@gnolam> | You get so much work done. |
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| 19:58 | | * abudhabi struggles against innumeracy. |
| 19:59 | <~Vornicus> | ? |
| 19:59 | <@Tamber> | ! |
| 19:59 | <~Vornicus> | Is it your own or someone else's innumeracy |
| 19:59 | <@abudhabi> | My own. I'm trying to calculate a number that is based fractionally on itself. |
| 20:00 | <@abudhabi> | There's some limits, doubtless, involved. |
| 20:00 | <~Vornicus> | Show me |
| 20:01 | <@abudhabi> | Vornicus: You got Open Office Calc? |
| 20:01 | <~Vornicus> | I do |
| 20:01 | <@abudhabi> | Sent ya. |
| 20:02 | <@abudhabi> | I'm trying to calculate the max price of an investment item, for an axiomatic 10% ROI. |
| 20:03 | <@abudhabi> | In this case, there's a percentage based purchase provision. |
| 20:03 | <@abudhabi> | A percentage of the purchase price, which I'm trying to calculate the maximum I can offer. |
| 20:04 | <~Vornicus> | Okay I cannot into Polish so you're going to have to translate |
| 20:04 | <@abudhabi> | Vornicus: B5 is the percentage cut the middleman takes, B9 is my first draft of a solution. |
| 20:05 | <@abudhabi> | Notice that I'm just using (1-cut) as a multiplier for the profit. |
| 20:05 | <@abudhabi> | This is probably "good enough" as an approximation, but I think there's a correct answer somewhere. |
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| 20:07 | <~Vornicus> | I still can't tell what's going on. |
| 20:07 | <~Vornicus> | like, I don't know what any of the numbers mean, for one thing. |
| 20:10 | <@abudhabi> | Vornicus: In order, monthly profit, monthly cost if a month is not profitable, amount of unprofitable months, middleman's cut as part of the final price, middleman's fixed price (some do it this way), notarial costs. |
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| 20:11 | <@abudhabi> | The final answer is "how much I would make on this thing in 10 years". |
| 20:12 | <@abudhabi> | I guess I could split it up into "profit, accounting for running costs" and "one-time costs". |
| 20:20 | <~Vornicus> | so you have, let me get this straight: you have the amount of money you'd get every month, were this thing profitable, and the amount of money you'd lose in a month it's not profitable, and then the number of months per year it's expected to be unprofitable |
| 20:20 | <@abudhabi> | Yes. |
| 20:21 | <~Vornicus> | And then the middleman's cut -- which is a fraction of the final price, but what's "the final price" here? you... buy the investment and every month or something it gives you cash, and the final price is whatever you bought the investment for? |
| 20:23 | <@abudhabi> | I'm looking for a maximum price, given an assumption of at least 10% profit per annum. |
| 20:26 | <~Vornicus> | Okay, let me see, is this model correct: you buy this entity; in addition to buying the entity you pay a middleman some percentage. |
| 20:26 | <@abudhabi> | Yes. |
| 20:26 | <~Vornicus> | Then every month you make some money. |
| 20:27 | <~Vornicus> | And you wish for the amount of money you get per year to ...exceed the amount you paid for the entity, middleman percentage included, by 10%? |
| 20:28 | <@abudhabi> | Uh... let's take it backwards. If I paid (with everything summed up) 100k, then I would want 10k per annum (or more). If I paid 200k, I would want 20k (or more). |
| 20:29 | <@abudhabi> | That "paid" includes all the up-front stuff. |
| 20:29 | <~Vornicus> | Okay. |
| 20:30 | <@abudhabi> | This is surprisingly complicated to explain. |
| 20:31 | <~Vornicus> | Well, yes. |
| 20:34 | <~Vornicus> | And the notary fees are one-time, paid at purchase? |
| 20:37 | <@abudhabi> | Ye-. |
| 20:37 | <@abudhabi> | *yes |
| 20:37 | <~Vornicus> | Okay! |
| 20:37 | <~Vornicus> | =((B2*(12-B4)-B3*B4)*10-B7)/(1+B5) |
| 20:37 | <@abudhabi> | Ooh! Thanks! |
| 20:38 | <@abudhabi> | Can you explain the thinking here? |
| 20:38 | <~Vornicus> | So: since the middleman takes an additional percentage upon the price, the total price including the middleman is price * (1 + B5) |
| 20:38 | <~Vornicus> | Oh -- add in -B6 after -B7 to consider fixed middleman costs. |
| 20:39 | <@abudhabi> | Yeah, did that. |
| 20:40 | <~Vornicus> | Now: The bit (B2*(12-B4)-B3*B4) is obviously the estimated per annum revenue; multiply by 10 to get the total revenue over 10 years. |
| 20:40 | <~Vornicus> | Which is equal to the target total payment. |
| 20:40 | <~Vornicus> | Subtract out fees and fixed costs and you get the target total after paying percentage fees |
| 20:41 | <@abudhabi> | Right. Simpler than I expected. |
| 20:41 | <@abudhabi> | Thank you again! |
| 20:42 | <~Vornicus> | But since that is equal to no-middleman costs times (1 + middleman cut), in order to get back you divide by (1 + middleman cut) |
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