| --- Log opened Tue Jul 25 00:00:33 2017 |
| --- Day changed Tue Jul 25 2017 |
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| 00:38 | | * [R] glares at nginx's default access log |
| 00:38 | <&[R]> | So... I have 14 vhosts, they all go into the same access log... and there's ZERO information about which request is for which vhost? |
| 00:38 | <&[R]> | WTF |
| 00:39 | < Mahal> | \o/ |
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| 10:46 | < Jessikat> | ...I feel like an asshole for saying 'no, we're doing it this way' when rejecting someone's attempt to add a core class to our system that doesn't match the general philosophy I'm after |
| 10:47 | < Jessikat> | The reason being that I want people to contribute |
| 10:48 | <@TheWatcher> | That's what code review is for, though, alas. |
| 10:49 | <@TheWatcher> | Doesn't make it any easier, though :/ On the plus side, it's a good sign you're not a sociopath!~ |
| 10:49 | < Jessikat> | Hurray? We don't have a process |
| 10:49 | < Jessikat> | The process is currently me looking at stuff and saying yes or no |
| 10:50 | < Jessikat> | I do point out that when people complain that we should have more process on this stuff though |
| 10:50 | < Jessikat> | Actually the process seems to be that whoever cares the most wins |
| 10:51 | < Jessikat> | Or as I like to call it, the Wikipedia approach |
| 10:51 | < Jessikat> | Either way, I should stop feeling bad for saying so. |
| 10:51 | <@TheWatcher> | At least you don't have to resort to duels... |
| 10:51 | <@TheWatcher> | Yeah |
| 10:52 | < Jessikat> | I guess I find the self confidence in some of our young, male hires in particular actually a little intimidating |
| 10:52 | <@TheWatcher> | Well, "should" is a tricky one. |
| 10:52 | < Jessikat> | I don't want to play that game |
| 10:59 | <@TheWatcher> | Teams :/ |
| 11:01 | <@TheWatcher> | Stressful as it can be, there are certainly times I'm grateful that we're so understaffed here, and I basically have almost total control over how things are done. |
| 11:03 | <@gnolam> | Ditto. |
| 11:21 | < Jessikat> | Honestly, I feel like someone coming in and telling us that we've been doing X wrong might well be valid, and I wouldn't want to ignore that the thing might be improved, but it's frustrating when they do it in a way that belittles the existing work |
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| 11:30 | < Jessikat> | I guess part of that might be misplaced pride and/or confidence. Hm. |
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| 14:34 | <@Azash> | Jessikat`: Often it's better for both parties if you skip the blank rejection and explain the rationale and PARADIGM (tm) in place |
| 14:34 | <@Azash> | Because instead of choosing between rejection or loss of quality you maintain quality while likely fostering a more in-tune and invested dev |
| 14:36 | < Jessikat`> | That's fair, I'm not sure why this is particularly an issue |
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| 14:36 | < Jessikat> | I feel like it's my problem to deal with |
| 14:41 | <@Azash> | Because you inadvertently revealed your problem to a bunch of procrastinators, people bored at work, and vacationeers? |
| 14:41 | <@Azash> | >> |
| 14:42 | < Jessikat> | Hm? |
| 14:42 | < Jessikat> | No I mean I don't think it's the person who suggested the new thing |
| 14:43 | <@Azash> | Oh |
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| 15:23 | | * ToxicFrog | I just found a float***** and the world means nothing anymore |
| 15:25 | < Jessikat> | ...wat |
| 15:26 | < Jessikat> | I've never seriously written anything worse than void** and cannot imagine why you would want more than that |
| 15:26 | < Jessikat> | Unless you're trying to summon something |
| 15:26 | < Jessikat> | Or perhaps were being *very* indirect |
| 15:34 | <@TheWatcher> | ToxicFrog: ... damn |
| 15:40 | < Jessikat> | Maybe they just really wanted to be a five star programmer |
| 15:42 | | * TheWatcher facepalm XD |
| 18:25 | <&McMartin> | I've used char*** for "create and store an array of strings in this argument" |
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| 19:16 | | * McMartin boggles at the Rust 1.19 update. |
| 19:16 | <&McMartin> | "loops can now break with a value" |
| 19:16 | <&McMartin> | why have I not seen this in other languages already |
| 19:19 | <&[R]> | ? |
| 19:20 | <&McMartin> | To translate it into slightly extended C: |
| 19:21 | <&McMartin> | int x = while (foo) { ... if (bar) { break 5; } } |
| 19:21 | <&McMartin> | Like inlining a function that returns mid-loop |
| 19:41 | <@Azash> | I'm never sure how to feel about these things |
| 19:42 | <&McMartin> | (I suppose you can claim that I have seen this before if you squint at named let or loop/recur) |
| 19:43 | <@Azash> | On one hand they're a great addition to the toolbox but on the other there are always those "if it can be done it should be done" developers that will basically just produce more obfuscated code when given new flow control |
| 19:49 | <&McMartin> | That's kind of the point; it isn't "new" flow control, it's a less roundabout way of expressing standard flow control. |
| 19:50 | <&ToxicFrog> | Yeah, people who want this capability are already doing it, but they're doing it by introducing `x` before the loop and using `x = 5; break` inside it |
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| 20:55 | < Jessikat`> | Hey look, constructs that reduce to a value |
| 20:56 | < Jessikat`> | Where have I seen that before x) |
| 20:57 | | * Vornicus jessihats |
| 20:57 | | * Jessikat` skritch |
| 21:00 | <&McMartin> | Yeah. It's more "if everything's either an expression or a macro, why are there still statements" |
| 21:09 | <@gnolam> | Checkmate, atheists? |
| 21:13 | <&McMartin> | Seems more like an argument against intelligent design to me |
| 21:17 | <&McMartin> | Speaking of unintelligent design, I see Go 1.9 is going to have "type T1 T2;" and "type T1 = T2;" both be legal and mean different things |
| 21:19 | <~Vornicus> | I know a guy who decided to do some number crunching with a float****** |
| 21:19 | <~Vornicus> | I had to point out that you don't actually need to store all the numbers, and even if you did that was a terrible way to store them |
| 21:21 | <&McMartin> | Was it a float****** or a float[][][][][][]? |
| 21:24 | <~Vornicus> | well okay a float[][][][][][] |
| 21:25 | <&McMartin> | "A brave little theory, and quite adequate for a universe of five or seven dimensions---if only we lived in one." |
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| --- Log closed Wed Jul 26 00:00:37 2017 |