| --- Log opened Mon Jun 19 00:00:18 2017 |
| 04:14 | | Turaiel[Offline] is now known as Turaiel |
| 04:25 | <@celticminstrel> | I wonder if it's safe to have a function with a static local whose constructor calls the same function... |
| 04:26 | < Mahal> | I am not really a coder |
| 04:26 | < Mahal> | but this smacks of "hello, a loop" to me |
| 04:26 | <@celticminstrel> | It does indeed, and yet... a static local is supposed to be initialized only once. |
| 04:27 | <@celticminstrel> | By which I mean, once in the entire program. |
| 04:29 | <~Vornicus> | I think actual code would enlighten the situation |
| 04:30 | <@celticminstrel> | I ran it and it crashed, so I'm assuming that means it's not safe, but basically... |
| 04:30 | <@celticminstrel> | T& get_thing() {static T thing; return thing;} T::T(T* parent = nullptr) : parenr(parent ? parent : get_thing()) {} |
| 04:31 | <~Vornicus> | that ... yeah that ain't gonna work |
| 04:31 | <@celticminstrel> | ...probably should've put that on two lines, oh well. |
| 04:33 | <@celticminstrel> | get_thing was also a static member of T, so I've decided to use a private tag constructor. |
| 04:33 | <@celticminstrel> | Basically the idea is that get_thing is a "root" of any T. |
| 04:34 | <@celticminstrel> | And every T except that one should have a parent. |
| 05:12 | <@celticminstrel> | Not working. :/ Need to rethink this. Might just need to have an additional private flag that's true only in the root. |
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| 13:07 | | * TheWatcher eyes this email, sighs |
| 13:08 | <@TheWatcher> | Person X: "$program should do $feature", person Y: "under no circumstances should $program do $feature" |
| 13:08 | <@TheWatcher> | X and Y are both "in charge" of this project |
| 13:13 | <&Reiver> | So sit them in a meeting and get behind the lead sheilding. |
| 13:13 | <&Reiver> | This is simply a lack of specification, and it is not your problem to decide who is right. |
| 13:13 | <@TheWatcher> | "Lack of specification" is this entire godsdamned thing in a nutshell -_- |
| 13:13 | <&Reiver> | that's BA 101, if in doubt, punt it up and offically leave it as teir problem~ |
| 13:14 | <&Reiver> | *their |
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| --- Log closed Mon Jun 19 14:37:53 2017 |
| --- Log opened Mon Jun 19 14:38:03 2017 |
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| 22:01 | <&McMartin> | "Chrx, pronounced “marshmallow” according to the project website, automates a dual-boot Linux install." |
| 22:01 | <&McMartin> | Fuck yooooooooooooouuuuuuuuu |
| 22:01 | <@Tamber> | ... pronounced marshm... wh... buh |
| 22:02 | <&McMartin> | To be clear, it is that part that I'm swearing at, not automating dual-boot Linux installs |
| 22:15 | | * TheWatcher blink |
| 22:37 | <&[R]> | I'm guessing it's a stab at people who "pronounce" SQL as "squirrel" or "sequel" |
| 22:39 | <&[R]> | Or GUI as "gooey" |
| 22:50 | < Mahal> | I have a genuine question. Why do we object to "sequel" or "gooey"? |
| 22:50 | <@gnolam> | U gh |
| 22:51 | <@gnolam> | ... |
| 22:51 | <@gnolam> | I have no objections to "gooey". That's a natural pronunciation. |
| 22:51 | < Mahal> | no honestly, I don't now |
| 22:51 | < Mahal> | I run into the "AREGH PEOPLE WHY" on occasion but have never understood |
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| 22:53 | <@gnolam> | "SQL" as anything other than the abbreviation however... no. |
| 22:54 | <@gnolam> | If you want it pronounced some specific way, then pick your abbreviation or acronym so that it *is* pronounced that way. |
| 22:55 | <@gnolam> | Don't be HEN3RY. |
| 22:55 | < Mahal> | You've said "no" but still not *why* |
| 22:55 | < Mahal> | just "don't" |
| 22:56 | < Mahal> | I mean... at a "being a human" level "sequel" is easier to say than "ess que ell", so I can understand why it's hung around, we're lazy asses |
| 22:57 | <@Alek> | I'm gonna pronounce it "cheerios" just to piss them off. :P |
| 22:59 | <@gnolam> | It might be easier to say, but it has *nothing to do with how it's actually written*. |
| 23:00 | <@gnolam> | And good luck explaining that it's easier to say to "John" from tech support in Chennai. |
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| 23:02 | <@gnolam> | Or Zsolt in Transylvania. |
| 23:04 | <@gnolam> | Or Lee in Guangdong. |
| 23:08 | <@Alek> | they're all still "John" though |
| 23:08 | <@gnolam> | If you insist on some special pronunciation for your technology, then all you're doing is making people's jobs that much harder, because people *are* going to pronounce it as it's written. |
| 23:08 | <@Alek> | agreed |
| 23:09 | <@gnolam> | I have much harsher words for this, but my self-censor is kicking in. |
| 23:13 | <@gnolam> | (Hen3ry is a Tom Lehrer quote: "I am reminded at this point of a fellow I used to know whose name was Henry. Only to give you an idea of what an individualist he was, he spelt it 'HEN3RY'. The 3 was silent, you see.") |
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| 23:23 | <~Vornicus> | darles chickens with four Ns and a silent Q |
| 23:23 | | * Mahal sigh. |
| 23:25 | <&McMartin> | "Sequel" is the only English word that you can get out of SQL if you pretend English is an Abjad, which is a thing we do ALL THE TIME PLZKTHX. |
| 23:26 | <&McMartin> | It is true that THX needs to pronounced as the letters or as "thanks" depending on context and means different things. |
| 23:26 | <@gnolam> | And again: good luck explaining that to "John", Zsolt and Lee. |
| 23:26 | <&McMartin> | Who we weren't talking to and don't care about, so, yeah. |
| 23:26 | <&McMartin> | Spelling it out will be understood |
| 23:27 | <&McMartin> | But, like |
| 23:27 | <&McMartin> | SQL is much less borderline than SCSI, which *also* isn't borderline but has way too many words it could be pronounced as. |
| 23:29 | <&McMartin> | But yes, I acknowledge that languages which believe that "vzgl" is an entirely sensible thing to start a word |
| 23:29 | <&McMartin> | Will not jump to "treat it like it's an abjad" |
| 23:30 | <&McMartin> | Your proposed criterion also makes WYSIWYG largely non-problematic, and as a native speaker I'm less willing to grant that |
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