| --- Log opened Wed May 31 00:00:29 2017 |
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| 01:47 | <@himi> | jerith: ceph is surprisingly lightweight if you set up something small, but it doesn't give you much over something simpler at small scale |
| 01:48 | <@himi> | I don't know how swift goes at small scale |
| 02:16 | <&ToxicFrog> | So I'm reading Ghost in the Wires, Kevin Mitnick's autobiography, and holy shit is it a wild ride |
| 02:16 | <&ToxicFrog> | I also found out that he hacked a company my dad worked at, albeit before his time |
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| 06:18 | < Jessikat> | Tempted to write a blog post on how to write good texts |
| 06:18 | < Jessikat> | Tests* |
| 06:18 | < Jessikat> | Also, how to avoid typos |
| 06:20 | <&McMartin> | I disbelieve >_> |
| 06:21 | < Jessikat> | Which one? :p |
| 06:21 | <&McMartin> | typo avoidance :P |
| 06:21 | < Jessikat> | I just needed more tests ~ |
| 06:43 | | * Vornicus has fallen in love with tests again. "shit, which direction do I want to subtract?" -- write a test that I know is right, done. |
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| 07:23 | <&jeroud> | I have given two conference talks about testing. |
| 07:24 | <&jeroud> | There is only one part of software development that I like less than writing tests, and that's working on code without reasonable test coverage. |
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| 07:33 | <~Vornicus> | I wish I could write tests for some things. it's very frustrating to not have the budget to make sure my shit passes anything other than smoke. |
| 07:35 | <&jeroud> | Why don't you have test budget? |
| 07:36 | <&jeroud> | I just write tests as a normal part of writing code. One activity is not separable from the other. |
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| 07:59 | <~Vornicus> | Because a test budget requires infrastructure built for tests. |
| 08:13 | <~Vornicus> | i'd need an entirely separate database and plugin setup - but some of those plugins are spendy and when you only get one code to share between dev and test and production you can guess which one falls by the wayside first. |
| 08:17 | <~Vornicus> | Then you get sandbox rigs for financial systems that emulate the real world as accurately as possible down to waiting till 3AM to set the transaction to completed. |
| 08:22 | <~Vornicus> | when your typical turnaround for a project is measured in tens of hours, a smoke test is all it gets because setting up the testing systems in the first place will take longer |
| 08:24 | <~Vornicus> | never mind lack of buy in from the rest of the team about testing or version control or |
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| 10:41 | < Jessikat> | Fun fact - I now get asked which of the rest of the team I would like as a minion when I define work |
| 10:45 | <~Vornicus> | that *is* a fun fact |
| 10:46 | <@TheWatcher> | But do you get to hand out a plush minion to indicate who is your current minion? |
| 10:46 | <&McMartin> | BA NA NA |
| 10:46 | | * McMartin fulfills the Ancient Contract, then thuds to bed |
| 10:47 | <@TheWatcher> | fhtagn well |
| 11:03 | < Jessikat> | Heh heh heh, no I don't think so |
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| 11:05 | < Jessikat> | (it seems that I've also defined enough work to be able to give out chunks of the easier stuff to new hires as introductory things) |
| 11:06 | < Jessikat> | (maybe I'm not entirely useless around here~) |
| 11:29 | <@himi> | Scheme or Clojure? |
| 11:37 | <&ToxicFrog> | Probably clojure, but what are you planning to do with it? |
| 11:37 | <&ToxicFrog> | Clojure has more Stuff⢠and great tooling, but Scheme has better error reporting and faster startup. |
| 11:39 | <@himi> | The qeustion wasn't intended to have an answer |
| 11:40 | <@himi> | . . . the question, though, I'm not sure about . . . |
| 11:40 | | * himi was just randomy saying Things(tm) |
| 11:41 | < Jessikat> | Why not both? |
| 11:42 | < Jessikat> | (I like clojure more) |
| 11:42 | < Jessikat> | (scheme is pretty awesome from an academic perspective though) |
| 11:43 | <@Tamber> | Nonsense! The true path to enlightenment is via hand-wired relays! ;) |
| 11:43 | <@TheWatcher> | But only if the final realy turns a light on |
| 11:44 | <@TheWatcher> | *relay |
| 11:44 | <@TheWatcher> | I can type |
| 11:44 | <@Tamber> | :) |
| 11:44 | < Jessikat> | Relay that information |
| 11:44 | < Jessikat> | Switch it up some |
| 12:44 | <&Reiver> | The true solution is to build a subtly calibrated system of dams, weirs, gates and pipes to emulate logic flow via water pressure, quantity, and flow. Then, using these peices, to construct a 3D microprocessor over several dozen miles of terrain, by hand . |
| 12:45 | <@Tamber> | No, the *true* solution is to build an entire world such that environmental factors such as erosion and rainfall construct the 3D microprocessor... |
| 12:45 | <@TheWatcher> | Reiver: Which is actually what the Victorians were really attempting with the canal network |
| 12:46 | <@TheWatcher> | Transporting goods? Pfah. It was really a UK-Sized computer! |
| 12:49 | <&Reiver> | TheWatcher: I would honestly not doubt it >_> |
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| 15:23 | < Jessikat> | 'Insecure moorings considered harmful' |
| 15:35 | <@TheWatcher> | Hey, that's no joke; if you're not careful, you suffer from some serious floating punt drift. |
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| 22:51 | <@Reiv> | Memory leaks are a pain in the ass to bugfix, too. |
| 22:51 | <&McMartin> | ho yez |
| 22:52 | <&McMartin> | Oh wait, we're talking about hydraulics |
| 22:54 | <@Tamber> | Then you go to attach the debugger, and end up soaked right through. |
| 22:55 | <@Reiv> | Sorry Tamber, that punchline was a bit of a wet blanket. |
| 22:55 | <@Tamber> | :) |
| 22:57 | <@Reiv> | It just won't do. We run a tight ship around here, you see. |
| 22:59 | <@Tamber> | Sources say otherwise, based on the leaks! |
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| 23:14 | < Jessikat> | https://lambdashirehotpot.wordpress.com/2017/05/31/what-is-a-function/ |
| 23:14 | < Jessikat> | In which I write more words |
| 23:31 | <~Vornicus> | hooray more words |
| 23:31 | <&McMartin> | I have been slacking on Words in at least three contexts |
| 23:31 | <&[R]> | THE WORDS |
| 23:32 | <&[R]> | THEY ARE ATTACKING ME |
| 23:32 | <&[R]> | AND DEVOURING MY FLESH |
| 23:32 | <&[R]> | WHAT HORROR IS THIS? THE MORE I SPEAK, THE MORE I AM ASSAILED! |
| 23:34 | <&McMartin> | You don't understand! Every character has full access to the System! |
| 23:36 | <&ToxicFrog> | Speaking of words, my little notforth project appears to be escalating into something that needs to compile new word definitions to C when run on the host so that when copied to the target they can go in flash rather than RAM |
| 23:36 | <&ToxicFrog> | Because I have loads of flash and not very much ram at all |
| 23:37 | <@macdjord> | YOU HAVE SPOKEN THE WORDS AND YOU HAVE SPOKEN THEM RIGHTLY! |
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