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| 13:04 | <@abudhabi> | "3-5 years experience with Java/JavaScript" |
| 13:05 | <@Tamber> | =.= |
| 13:05 | <@abudhabi> | Somehow I don't think the person who wrote this advert knows anything about either. |
| 13:05 | <@Tamber> | probably not, no. |
| 13:05 | <@Tamber> | Pretty typical for job adverts, though. |
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| 16:56 | <&jeroud> | It could be a full stack web dev job... |
| 17:46 | <@abudhabi> | jeroud: But phrased like that, it sounds as if the writer knows not the difference between Java and Javascript. |
| 17:58 | <@Tamber> | "Well, they've both got 'Java' in the name..." |
| 18:10 | <@celticminstrel> | Could be a tomcat server.? |
| 18:10 | | * celticminstrel doesn't actually know what's under discussion and simpy mentioned that because it'd be a valid use case for someone needing to know both Java and JavaScript. |
| 18:13 | <&[R]> | <abudhabi> "3-5 years experience with Java/JavaScript" |
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| 20:42 | <&[R]> | Is anyone else bothered by the fact that MadeWithCode has a very large amount of non-code shit? |
| 20:43 | <&jerith> | I don't even know what that is. |
| 20:44 | <&jerith> | And the front of their web page isn't very enlightening. |
| 20:46 | <&[R]> | It's supposedly a website run by google to get more women into code. |
| 20:46 | <&jeroud> | Ah. |
| 20:46 | <&[R]> | Hence why I'm bothered about the large amount of not-really-code things on it. |
| 20:47 | <&[R]> | It's almost like a giant fake-geek-girl (as much as I dislike that term) front. |
| 20:47 | <&jeroud> | I'm guessing it doesn't address any of the real problems in the industry. |
| 20:50 | <&[R]> | https://en.wiki2.org/wiki/Made_with_code |
| 21:58 | | * TheWatcher eyes |
| 21:58 | <@TheWatcher> | Uugh |
| 21:59 | | * abudhabi actually thought Wikipedia looked better the older it was. |
| 22:00 | <@abudhabi> | I don't understand all these people saying "it's old fashioned, therefore bad!". |
| 22:01 | <@abudhabi> | I don't give two shits about the look of a website, so long as I can get at the information I want quickly and easily, and the layout staying the same helps very much. |
| 22:01 | <@Tamber> | Butbutbut, it's not using the new shiny javascript framework of the day! |
| 22:01 | <@Tamber> | Who cares about the /information/, that's not what the web is for! ;) |
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| 22:03 | <@abudhabi> | Take wikia.com for example. I use it for PnP RPG stuff. And I also need to mutilate their layout so there's no irrelevant distractions meddling with my content. |
| 22:03 | <@abudhabi> | Thank Heavens there's adblockers with custom rules. |
| 22:03 | <@TheWatcher> | I note that the Made With Code site is at least aiming at roughly the right age range with its focus on middle school |
| 22:04 | <@TheWatcher> | Although, arguably, that may actually be too late |
| 22:08 | <@TheWatcher> | http://fleet.starforge.co.uk/images/genders.png - gender breakdown of entrants in a national computing competition for secondary schools run by work |
| 22:09 | <@abudhabi> | As expected, pretty much. |
| 22:10 | <@TheWatcher> | (That actually has the highest number of girls in the 16/19 range of the last 9 years - back in 2014 that was a 5%/95% split) |
| 22:10 | <@abudhabi> | (Probably due to promotion of women in X that's happening of late.) |
| 22:11 | <@TheWatcher> | And yeah, there are a lot of gender problems in IT/CS (especially in games dev), but this is kicking in really damned early |
| 22:12 | <@abudhabi> | "Problems". |
| 22:12 | | * Vornicus needs to crack the whip in Vash's direction. |
| 22:12 | <@abudhabi> | It's not any more of a problem than "men and women have different amounts of muscle mass". |
| 22:13 | < Vash> | ;_; |
| 22:13 | <~Vornicus> | uh |
| 22:13 | <~Vornicus> | No, it's definitely a problem |
| 22:13 | <@abudhabi> | Why? |
| 22:13 | <~Vornicus> | Because this isn't some sort of natural dichotomy at all. |
| 22:14 | <@abudhabi> | It looks like it is. |
| 22:15 | <~Vornicus> | That's because it's a cultural dichotomy |
| 22:16 | <@TheWatcher> | abudhabi: y'know, aside from the systemic issues of sexism, mysogyny, horrible working environments and treatment of workers, and on, and on. |
| 22:16 | <@abudhabi> | Is there any evidence that the ratio is different across various cultures? |
| 22:16 | <@abudhabi> | I mean, if it's cultural, I would expect that the percentages would be very different in, say USA, China and Russia. |
| 22:18 | <~Vornicus> | http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?doid=543812.543839 Here's an article, though it's paywalled |
| 22:21 | <~Vornicus> | looking at IT graduates, we find that norway lands around 30% female, and the netherlands lands around 6%. |
| 22:22 | <@abudhabi> | Found full text: https://www1.ethz.ch/frauen.inf/stats/international_stat_frauen.pdf |
| 22:26 | <@abudhabi> | I'll be damned. The Third World is full of women in computing. |
| 22:27 | <@abudhabi> | Looks like there's some reverse correlation of development and women in computing. |
| 22:41 | | * celticminstrel notices that wiki2.org fails at the most basic requirement - functioning without cookies. |
| 22:42 | <@Tamber> | Oh, is *that* what it was. It didn't load the first time I tried; but did when I retried later. |
| 22:43 | <@celticminstrel> | Well, it loaded when I temporarily enabled cookies for the site, so... |
| 22:43 | <@celticminstrel> | I dunno whether it uses cookies or local storage, but either way it's a terrible idea.3 |
| 22:45 | <@abudhabi> | Why? |
| 22:46 | <@abudhabi> | (Well, I sort of understand that you shouldn't make your site break without cookies...) |
| 22:46 | <@celticminstrel> | Why what? |
| 22:47 | <@abudhabi> | Why are cookies and/or local storage a terrible idea? |
| 22:48 | <@celticminstrel> | Because people might not have cookies enabled? |
| 22:48 | <@celticminstrel> | (Cookies and local storage generally seem to be considered one and the same by browser settings.) |
| 22:48 | <~Vornicus> | requiring cookies is a terrible idea. |
| 22:49 | <@abudhabi> | OK, yes. |
| 22:49 | <@abudhabi> | But optional cookies aren't, right? |
| 22:50 | <~Vornicus> | Right. |
| 22:51 | <@celticminstrel> | Right. |
| 22:58 | <@celticminstrel> | I mean, it's fine to require cookies for privelaged access (logins etc). |
| 22:59 | <@abudhabi> | *privileged |
| 22:59 | | * [R] uses wiki2 primarily because wikipedia tends to run those "PAY US" half-page banners every so often. |
| 23:00 | <&[R]> | I'd be inclined to actually pay wikipedia if they weren't run by deletionists. |
| 23:00 | <@abudhabi> | No banners in So-Many-Filters-It-Breaks-Legitimate-Elements-Sometimes-topia. :V |
| 23:00 | <@abudhabi> | [R]: Expound! |
| 23:01 | <&[R]> | Expound? |
| 23:01 | <&[R]> | What part? |
| 23:02 | <@celticminstrel> | Yes, privileged. |
| 23:03 | <&[R]> | http://deletionpedia.org/en/Main_Page <-- if you're asking about deletionism... |
| 23:03 | <@abudhabi> | [R]: What's the deal with deletionism? Yeah. |
| 23:03 | <@abudhabi> | I figure it's not the retconned kind of magic from Erfworld. |
| 23:03 | <&[R]> | No |
| 23:04 | <&[R]> | Basically, wikipedia's nature renders it completely unsuitable for use as a traditional encyclopedia. However, it does have one legitimate use due to its nature: discovery of information. |
| 23:05 | <&[R]> | Or it would, if it weren't for the "notability" "guidelines" giving a carte-blanche for mentally handicapped social regects from purging legitimate, but obscure content. |
| 23:06 | <&[R]> | As a result, wikipedia's sole potential use is a primer for publically known subjects. |
| 23:06 | <@abudhabi> | I see. |
| 23:07 | <&[R]> | Though it does see use as an echo chamber to the sociopathic and/or mentally challenged, as evidenced by the wikipedia-article-becomes-news-which-proves-"notability" feedback loop |
| 23:09 | <@abudhabi> | Welcome to Citogenesis 101. :V |
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