| --- Log opened Sun Dec 18 00:00:40 2016 |
| 00:07 | | * Derakon eyes http://angband.oook.cz/forum/showthread.php?p=116625#post116625 |
| 00:07 | <&Derakon> | -fno-pie sounds like the worst linker parameter ever. |
| 00:12 | < catalyst> | D: |
| 00:12 | < catalyst> | Who would request such a thing |
| 00:12 | <&McMartin> | I don't really get why you'd need a Position-Independent Executable in a system with proper handling of virtual addresses. |
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| 02:04 | <&ToxicFrog> | celticminstrel: what? Yes it does -- if foo then local x = ...; --[[ do stuff with x ]]; end --[[ x is no longer in scope ]] |
| 02:05 | <@celticminstrel> | ToxicFrog: But doesn't "in z" imply assigning successive values from z to the variable? |
| 02:06 | <&ToxicFrog> | celticminstrel: I was responding to "lua doesn't allow variable declarations in if" from earlier |
| 02:06 | <&ToxicFrog> | It allows local declarations in any block |
| 02:06 | <@celticminstrel> | ToxicFrog: Oh, I meant as part of the "if" line; a local after the "then" is not visible in the "else", correct? |
| 02:07 | <&ToxicFrog> | Oh. Correct. |
| 02:07 | <@celticminstrel> | In C++, variables declared in if apparently are visible to the else. |
| 02:07 | <@celticminstrel> | ie, as if(T* var = whatever). |
| 02:08 | <&ToxicFrog> | That kind of makes sense |
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| 03:29 | | * McMartin digs up two old retro projects |
| 03:29 | <&McMartin> | One works perfectly, the other is hilariously busted |
| 03:37 | <@celticminstrel> | Heh. |
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| 04:26 | | * Vornotron considers project naming. I have things like "Vornball", TheWatcher has things like "DELIA GLOBE SILVER" whatever the hell that means... |
| 04:27 | <@celticminstrel> | Vornotron sounds like a project name too. |
| 04:30 | < Vornotron> | it is true. |
| 04:33 | <&McMartin> | I don't generally codename my projects. |
| 04:35 | <@celticminstrel> | I'm not too good with naming, so generally the initial "codename" is descriptive in some sense. |
| 04:36 | <@celticminstrel> | Not sure you can really call it a codename though. |
| 04:36 | <@celticminstrel> | I mean, Malandread was "roguelike" until I made up a name somehow. |
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| 04:39 | <&McMartin> | Yeah, I guess I have stuff with names like, oh, "Parallax demo" or "Instrument editor" |
| 04:40 | <&McMartin> | Well, not yet |
| 04:40 | <&McMartin> | Those are the next two projects |
| 04:42 | <&McMartin> | I do have an alarming number of directories with names like stuff, newstuff, oldstuff, though |
| 04:42 | <@celticminstrel> | Heh. I have a few of those, too. |
| 04:43 | <@celticminstrel> | There's also "Downloads (archived)" because I didn't really want to delete most of them but couldn't be bothered to find proper places for them. |
| 04:43 | < Vornotron> | D: |
| 04:43 | <@celticminstrel> | (And the downloads folder was getting pretty cluttered.) |
| 04:43 | < Vornotron> | my god the amount of shit I have in Downloads |
| 04:44 | <@celticminstrel> | Taking all three downloads folders together, apparently I have almost 30 GB. o.o |
| 04:45 | <@celticminstrel> | (Main one, archived one, and old one from previous OS install.) |
| 04:56 | < Vornotron> | I have a drive of half-organized stuff that I need to turn into fully-organized stuff. |
| 05:08 | <&McMartin> | 12/12 on today's Advent of code question. |
| 05:11 | <@celticminstrel> | So if "A -> B C" and "C -> D C | Ã" where à is epsilon, isn't that equivalent to "A -> B D*"? |
| 05:12 | <&McMartin> | I think so, on first blush |
| 05:14 | <&McMartin> | If there's any difference it's only in resolving shift/reduce conflicts |
| 05:15 | <@celticminstrel> | That might matter if bison's documentation was usable. |
| 05:15 | <@celticminstrel> | ...I suddenly wonder if yacc has better documentation, but don't feel like checking now. |
| 05:16 | <&McMartin> | Don't count on it |
| 05:16 | <&McMartin> | I think I used the Dragon Book =| |
| 05:17 | | * celticminstrel already has half a recursive descent implemented. |
| 05:17 | <&McMartin> | And those are always nicely deterministic. |
| 06:16 | | * Vornotron fiddles with aoc 14. Hacky ass crypto agogo. |
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| 06:40 | | * Vornotron now goes on to 15, which he already knows the name of the math he needs to solve it. |
| 07:32 | <&jerith> | "George"? |
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| 07:32 | | * jerith reads the problem for day 18. |
| 07:38 | < Vornotron> | No. |
| 08:28 | <&jerith> | Day 18 done. |
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| 17:34 | | * TheWatcher writes database migration code |
| 17:34 | <@TheWatcher> | horay |
| 17:34 | <@TheWatcher> | This is fun! |
| 17:36 | < Vornotron> | Somehow I suspect that it is not as fun as you are letting on |
| 17:43 | <@TheWatcher> | >.> |
| 17:43 | <@TheWatcher> | <.< |
| 17:59 | < catalyst> | I believe you! All of the fun! |
| 17:59 | <@TheWatcher> | Dance! Everybody dance! |
| 17:59 | <@TheWatcher> | Life is good! |
| 17:59 | < catalyst> | \:D/ |
| 18:02 | <@abudhabi> | <insert bleeding-from-anus emoji> |
| 18:07 | <@TheWatcher> | For the love of god, and all that is holy, my tables are bleeding! |
| 19:00 | <&ToxicFrog> | What the leeg, Google |
| 19:01 | <&ToxicFrog> | $ hostname => thoth.ancilla.ca |
| 19:01 | <&ToxicFrog> | $ ip addr | grep 192 => inet 192.168.86.101/24 brd 192.168.86.255 scope global dynamic wlp3s0 |
| 19:02 | <&ToxicFrog> | $ nslookup thoth => Address: 192.168.86.144 |
| 19:02 | <&ToxicFrog> | The reason I'm blaming Google here is that it's a Google OnHub providing both DHCP and DNS. |
| 19:33 | < RobinStamer> | So it's caching the wrong IP address, can you force a cache invalidation? What IP is nslookup hitting? Is it the OnHub? |
| 19:37 | <&ToxicFrog> | Rebooting the onhub didn't fix it and there's no more targeted way to invalidate the DNS cache, and yes |
| 19:37 | <&ToxicFrog> | as I said |
| 19:52 | < RobinStamer> | <ShadowDragon8685> Do you know of any good fixed-width fonts that contain the aster* family of glyphs? |
| 19:56 | < Vornotron> | aster* family of glyphs? Also, man he's still around? |
| 19:57 | < RobinStamer> | <ShadowDragon8685> Asterisk, Asterism, Two Asterisks, etc. |
| 19:57 | < RobinStamer> | Not on this network AFAIK |
| 20:00 | < RobinStamer> | http://pastebin.com/gq9iVVrm |
| 20:00 | <@celticminstrel> | Everson Mono appears to have asterism... |
| 20:01 | <@celticminstrel> | ...huh? My Courier has it? |
| 20:01 | <@celticminstrel> | DejaVu Sans Mono apparently doesn't have it. |
| 20:01 | < RobinStamer> | Where are you getting your Courrier New? |
| 20:01 | <@celticminstrel> | Lucida Sans Unicode has it. |
| 20:01 | <@celticminstrel> | RobinStamer: I think it's not Courier New. |
| 20:02 | <@celticminstrel> | ...I have it in Monaco too. |
| 20:02 | <@celticminstrel> | Those are the only ones I can see that I know to be fixed-width. |
| 20:02 | <&jerith> | Quite often your font engine will go find glyphs from other typefaces if the one you're using doesn't have them. |
| 20:02 | < RobinStamer> | <ShadowDragon8685> Oh, Everson Mono? That's the one that's 25 Euros, innit? |
| 20:03 | <@celticminstrel> | jerith: Well, I'm looking at the "Font Variation" section in the Character Viwer. |
| 20:03 | <@celticminstrel> | So I'm pretty sure it only shows what actually exists. |
| 20:03 | <&jerith> | This is often the case with monospace fonts, because they tend not to have all the exciting and obscure ones. |
| 20:03 | <@celticminstrel> | I don't know if Everson Mono is 25 euros. I didn't pay for it, but maybe you're expected to pay if using it for something other than personal use. |
| 20:04 | <&jerith> | Because who's going to draw monospace emoji or Linear A or Arabic. |
| 20:04 | <@celticminstrel> | There was unifont at one time, no idea if it's still around... but I wouldn't call that a good font. |
| 20:09 | | * celticminstrel is unsure what the difference is between Courier and Courier New, but I appear to have both - /System/Library/Fonts/Courier.dfont and /Library/Fonts/Courier New*.ttf |
| 20:10 | <@celticminstrel> | I'd think there'd be people interested in drawing monospace Arabic. |
| 20:10 | <@celticminstrel> | Linear A... not so much. |
| 20:10 | <@celticminstrel> | Emoji are debatable. |
| 20:16 | < Vornotron> | Linear Q |
| 20:45 | <@celticminstrel> | The language of the Q continuum! :O |
| 21:10 | <&jerith> | I chose Arabic because it's hard in a number of ways. |
| 21:11 | <&jerith> | Aside from its right-to-leftness, it *really* doesn't like being confined to a one-character-per-cell grid. |
| 21:11 | <&McMartin> | It's the only writing system I know of where the printed text still has cursive/manuscript features. |
| 21:12 | <&McMartin> | (Devanagari just fails to make the cut, in my book. That's *tiling*.) |
| 21:13 | <&McMartin> | I have found emoji to be generally well-represented in monospace fonts, but for them to be double-wide glyphs, much like CJK ideograms. |
| 21:15 | <@celticminstrel> | Even codepage 437 had emoji! :O |
| 21:15 | < RobinStamer> | I keep accidentally doing `sh script` instead of `./script`, sh is mapped to dash and the script uses bashisms... is there a way to detect non-bash and exit out? |
| 21:22 | < RobinStamer> | I guess I can test for $BASH_VERSION |
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| 22:32 | <@TheWatcher> | Uuuuuugh, databases |
| 22:34 | <@TheWatcher> | (this wouldn't be so bad - much of the data can be copied as-is - but I have to build a bunch of new metadata behind it all as I do the copy) |
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| 22:52 | <@abudhabi> | Hm. I am in need of a random avatar per refresh type service. |
| 22:53 | <@abudhabi> | Same URL, but gives out a different picture from a list each refresh. |
| 22:53 | <@abudhabi> | I saw someone use such a thing before, but it seems to have gone down. |
| 22:58 | < RobinStamer> | Are you willing to pay for that kind of service? |
| 23:08 | | * McMartin finishes debugging his port. https://hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu/~mcmartin/retro/hammurabi.prg |
| 23:08 | <&McMartin> | At least debugged to the point that it doesn't think you start your reign with -1000 acres of land |
| 23:13 | <&McMartin> | Also, Galaxy Patrol 2.1 final has been, uh, finalized. https://hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu/~mcmartin/retro/galaxy_2_1.nes |
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