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| 00:10 | <&McMartin> | I have just been linked http://www.robbomb.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/tasks.gif |
| 00:12 | <@Tamber> | XD |
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| 09:36 | | * TheWatcher readsup |
| 09:37 | <@TheWatcher> | I suspect I probably shouldn't put McM's link up in the second year software engineering course forums... |
| 09:47 | <@abudhabi> | OR maybe you should. |
| 09:55 | | * TheWatcher hairpulls |
| 09:57 | < catadroid> | seems a bit drastic |
| 09:57 | <@TheWatcher> | You should see my ticket queue |
| 09:57 | < catadroid> | Most people don't spend that much time testing on their own stuff~ |
| 09:58 | <@TheWatcher> | Oh, that, yea >.> |
| 10:01 | <@TheWatcher> | Things that teaching undergrads has taught me, #36: never underestimate the inventive ways students can find to mess up git repositories |
| 10:01 | <@TheWatcher> | (Especially right before a deadline) |
| 10:02 | <@abudhabi> | You mean you didn't give everyone an isolated repo in a sandbox? |
| 10:02 | <@abudhabi> | Were you asking for it to get corrupted? :V |
| 10:03 | <@TheWatcher> | They're working in teams of 5 to 6 |
| 10:03 | <@abudhabi> | I'm working in a team of 3 and there's already one person who is somewhat clueless about the proper way to deal with SVN (me). |
| 10:04 | <@abudhabi> | "abudhabi, don't put large images in the repo." |
| 10:04 | <@abudhabi> | "abudhabi, put some comments on your commits. |
| 10:05 | <@abudhabi> | "abudhabi, don't just upload a complex directory structure directly to the repo hoping the SVN will divine your intentions concerning trunks." |
| 10:06 | <@abudhabi> | I don't think I'll break anything important, but that's only becaues I'm out of this job by the 1st. |
| 10:17 | <@Emmy-werk> | TheWatcher: rule #1: always assume stupidity unless proven otherwise |
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| 10:40 | <@abudhabi> | TheWatcher, McMartin: Funny thing is, I'm going off to "buy a bar", so to speak, by mid next year. |
| 10:40 | <@abudhabi> | Except I have the foresight to go to "how to run a bar" courses beforehand. <_< |
| 10:46 | < catadruid> | What kind of bar? |
| 10:47 | <@abudhabi> | A real-estate renting bar. |
| 10:47 | < catadruid> | Aha |
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| 11:02 | <@Emmy-werk> | different kind of bar >.> |
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| 12:00 | <@abudhabi> | Has anyone messed with X11 keyboard definitions? |
| 12:02 | <@abudhabi> | I'm using "Polish Dvorak", but I'd like to add Norwegian åøæ to that, under ralt-';\. |
| 12:02 | <@abudhabi> | What I'd like to know is where the Polish layout defines keycode <LSGT>. |
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| 14:07 | <~Vornicus> | TW! I have a feature request for the second sight |
| 14:07 | <~Vornicus> | In-log links should be target="_blank" |
| 14:11 | <@TheWatcher> | 'kay, just a minute |
| 14:34 | <@TheWatcher> | Vornicus: newly generated logs will have that. It's in the process of going back and fixing older ones, that'll take a while though |
| 14:36 | <@TheWatcher> | (there's over 32k html files to fix up) |
| 14:37 | <~Vornicus> | sweetbabyjesus.gif |
| 14:37 | <~Vornicus> | I didn't expect basically instant gratification. Thank you! |
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| 15:13 | <@gnolam> | GNghhgh |
| 15:14 | <@gnolam> | When this printer breaks (or I get fired), I am going to go full office space on that fucking thing. |
| 15:14 | <@Emmy> | dude, never go full office space dude |
| 15:14 | <@TheWatcher> | Emmy: printer |
| 15:15 | <@Tamber> | Printers are unholy abominations even /Satan/ doesn't want to mess with. |
| 15:15 | <@Emmy> | yes, and yes |
| 15:15 | <@TheWatcher> | Frankly, I'd be more worried about the nameless horror inside fighting back, really |
| 15:16 | <@Tamber> | I suddenly have an urge to go see if we have a printer I can go drive a truck over. |
| 15:16 | <@Emmy> | At work i'm messing about with getting access to make a printout of a dossier overview |
| 15:16 | <@Emmy> | that's not much better |
| 15:17 | <@TheWatcher> | Tamber: I have a hilariously misbehaving Konica Minolta colour laser printer you could do it to. |
| 15:17 | <@Tamber> | :D |
| 15:18 | <@Tamber> | Well, I have a truck and a HD video camera... |
| 15:26 | <@abudhabi> | What is it called when you press RAlt and you enter some kind of letter-assembling mode? |
| 15:27 | <@abudhabi> | Because I'd like to turn that thing off. |
| 15:28 | <@Tamber> | Compose? |
| 15:28 | <@abudhabi> | Specifically, I press ralt+semicolon and ralt+slash. |
| 15:28 | <@abudhabi> | I wanted to configure some proper Norwegian letters there. |
| 15:28 | <@abudhabi> | But they don't come up, except ø which I put under \|. |
| 15:29 | <@abudhabi> | No, wait, not semicolon, it was ralt+apostrophe. |
| 15:29 | <@Tamber> | I guess it depends on your current configuration, because I have my compose key bound to rwin; and right alt is a 3rd level shift (I think that's the phrase for it.) that lets me get characters like ⬠|
| 15:30 | <@abudhabi> | I've got the compose key as "-", meaning turned off I hope. |
| 15:31 | <@abudhabi> | No, wait, it works% |
| 15:31 | <@abudhabi> | I think. |
| 15:31 | <@gnolam> | Tamber: i.e. a proper Alt Gr! |
| 15:32 | <@Tamber> | :) |
| 15:32 | <@abudhabi> | Hm. Right, I've got proper æÃøÃåà but now the other keys are all weird. |
| 15:32 | <@Tamber> | gnolam, well, that's what's printed on the key, so I might as well use it for that, right? |
| 15:33 | <@abudhabi> | Like the number bar is all like: &[{}(=*)+] without shift and %753190246 with shift. |
| 15:34 | <@Tamber> | whoopsies. |
| 15:35 | <@abudhabi> | Any resemblance to any layout you know of? |
| 15:35 | <@abudhabi> | Or is it just a damn bug? |
| 15:35 | <@gnolam> | abudhabi: ah, /Reverse/ Polish Dvorak. ;-) |
| 15:35 | <@Tamber> | Inverse Reverse Polish Dvorak. |
| 15:36 | <@Tamber> | One might even say perverse inverse reverse Polish Dvorak... |
| 15:36 | <@abudhabi> | The letters are just fine, so's the numpad. |
| 15:36 | <@abudhabi> | Just the number bar is all screwed. |
| 15:37 | <@gnolam> | abudhabi: OT: how much Norwegian do you speak now? |
| 15:37 | <@Alek> | it's not called Norsk? |
| 15:40 | <@abudhabi> | gnolam: C1. |
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| 15:44 | <@abudhabi> | Hm. OK. I did mess something up, probably when purging the file of competing layouts. |
| 15:44 | < ErikMesoy1> | Alek: Norsk is a nationality, not a language. |
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| 15:44 | <@abudhabi> | Norwegians don't have a language. |
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| 15:46 | <@ErikMesoy> | There are two languages in Norway called Norsk nynorsk and Norsk bokmål. |
| 15:46 | <@ErikMesoy> | Bokmål is basically "Danish, but we don't eat half the words, and we find-and-replaced some letters like K for G, T for D." |
| 15:46 | <@ErikMesoy> | Nynorsk is basically "Whatever dialects we can find that aren't Danish, glued together." |
| 15:47 | <@Tamber> | XD |
| 15:48 | <@ErikMesoy> | An indication of the sheer level of gluing-together without standardization anywhere is the fact that "Hvordan", "Korleis" and "Ãssen" are all considered legitimate dialectical forms of the same Norwegian word. |
| 15:49 | <@gnolam> | And there's what my relatives speak, which is just "gibberish". :P |
| 15:51 | <@gnolam> | (Deepest, darkest Nordmøre. Even other Norwegians have trouble understanding them.) |
| 15:53 | < catadroid> | Nordic Scots |
| 15:54 | | * ErikMesoy looks it up |
| 15:54 | <@ErikMesoy> | "...har tykk l i ord med historisk l, kløyvd infinitiv, jamvekt med varierande grad av vokaljamning, en del apokope, ulik bøying av sterke og svake hunkjønnsord, en del palatalisering i trykktung og (oftest) trykklett staving, kjønnsdelte adjektiv, og dativ" |
| 15:55 | <@ErikMesoy> | This is norwegian (nynorsk) wikipedia on nordmøre. You may recognize grammatical terms like "infinitive" and "dative" that do not need translation; the rest does not need translation either because it doesn't help any :V |
| 15:55 | <@Tamber> | XD |
| 15:55 | < catadroid> | Haha |
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| 17:24 | <@Tamber> | http://i.imgur.com/Jehj1xw.png |
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| 17:32 | | * abudhabi spits bile at xkb. |
| 17:32 | <@abudhabi> | How does this fuckig thing work? |
| 17:33 | <@Tamber> | Magic, I think. |
| 17:35 | <@abudhabi> | It fucking appears to require rebooting. |
| 17:35 | <@abudhabi> | What is this, Windows?! |
| 17:35 | <@Tamber> | It does? o.o |
| 17:36 | <@abudhabi> | http://people.uleth.ca/~daniel.odonnell/Blog/custom-keyboard-in-linuxx11#c |
| 17:36 | <@abudhabi> | It would be tolerable, IF IT WORKED. |
| 17:36 | <@Tamber> | Something something ubuntu. |
| 17:37 | <&ToxicFrog> | Rebooting, not just restarting X? |
| 17:38 | <@abudhabi> | ToxicFrog: No idea what it needs. |
| 17:39 | <@abudhabi> | No layout I make works right, and it seems to store them in magic cache. |
| 17:40 | <@abudhabi> | I *am* on a derivative of Ubuntu 14, where there are unspecified problems. |
| 17:54 | <@abudhabi> | And my primary layout seems corrupted because this thing is magical. |
| 17:54 | <@abudhabi> | I restored the bloody original state. |
| 17:54 | <@abudhabi> | But it is still fucked, as if it were using the modified one, which now does not exist. |
| 17:55 | <@abudhabi> | Time to upgrade my distro to current, because this shit is not logical. |
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| 20:22 | | * abudhabi is upgrading Rosa to Sarah. |
| 20:23 | <@abudhabi> | I hope this doesn't go catastrophically wrong. |
| 20:24 | <@abudhabi> | Hahaha. |
| 20:24 | <@abudhabi> | APT will perform the upgrade to Linux Mint 18 'Sarah'. |
| 20:24 | <@abudhabi> | This operation is non-reversible. |
| 20:24 | <@abudhabi> | Make sure you made backups, you tested Linux Mint 18 'Sarah' in live mode and you performed your favorite supertitious tricks before proceeding. |
| 20:25 | <@abudhabi> | Given that I store anything of signficance in Dropbox synced with another computer in addition to the cloud, I am somewhat reassured. |
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| 21:41 | <@Azash> | abudhabi: What about the superstitious tricks? |
| 21:44 | | * McMartin is reminded of the Traditional Morning Spathi Prayer |
| 21:50 | <@Azash> | McMartin: I think whenever I hear the terms "linux", "package management" and "automatic upgrade process" in the same context I personally go for the litany against fear |
| 21:53 | <@Tamber> | I usually just resign myself to accepting that it'll probably not be automatic enough, will fall apart half-way through, and I'll have to try figure out which dark corners all the pieces have dropped into. |
| 21:56 | <@abudhabi> | Azash: Did. |
| 21:58 | <@Azash> | Tamber: I recall a coworker trying out arch and ending up in a state where he couldn't upgrade, downgrade or uninstall a particular piece of software that was broken |
| 21:59 | <@Tamber> | Case in point~ |
| 22:01 | <&[R]> | Azash: The Kernel/glibc co-dependency issue? |
| 22:01 | <&[R]> | Because that fucked me pretty hard too |
| 22:02 | <&[R]> | Nine machines I couldn't install anything on, slowly breaking down, all while I was already depressed. Fun times. |
| 22:03 | <&ToxicFrog> | McMartin: which one is that? |
| 22:05 | <&McMartin> | "Oh God, pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease don't let me die today! Tomorrow would be soooooooooo much better!!!" |
| 22:11 | <@abudhabi> | Awright. Let us see if it boots. |
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| 22:15 | <@abudhabi> | It boots. |
| 22:15 | <@abudhabi> | Keyboard is still fucked. |
| 22:15 | <@Tamber> | \o/ |
| 22:15 | <&McMartin> | That's a start! |
| 22:16 | <@abudhabi> | How do I get rid of programs booting at startup that aren't listed in the sessions and startup thingy? |
| 22:17 | <&ToxicFrog> | by "startup" do you mean on login or on system boot? |
| 22:17 | <@abudhabi> | Login. |
| 22:20 | <&[R]> | What login manager? |
| 22:20 | <&[R]> | Also desktop environment? |
| 22:20 | <@abudhabi> | Not sure about the login manager, but I |
| 22:21 | <@abudhabi> | 'm running Mint. |
| 22:21 | <@abudhabi> | XFCE4 for desktop. |
| 22:22 | <&[R]> | I think /etc/inittab should tell you what login manager you have. |
| 22:22 | <@abudhabi> | Say, could anyone copy me their /usr/share/X11/xkb/pl file if you run ubuntu? |
| 22:22 | <&[R]> | (I fear you might be using systemd though, which means my entire line of questioning is likely useless) |
| 22:23 | <&[R]> | abudhabi: should be an option to just pull that from the package |
| 22:23 | <@abudhabi> | No inittab file exists. |
| 22:24 | <&[R]> | Yeah, systemd fuckery, ignore my questions. |
| 22:26 | <@abudhabi> | If diff outputs nothing, the files are identical, right? |
| 22:26 | <&[R]> | Yes |
| 22:27 | <@abudhabi> | Right. So I'm onto something when I say that xkb is at fault. |
| 22:28 | <@Alek> | Tamber, nice. :P |
| 22:29 | <@Tamber> | *headtilt* |
| 22:30 | <@Alek> | [11:24] <@Tamber> http://i.imgur.com/Jehj1xw.png |
| 22:30 | <@Tamber> | Oh! :) |
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