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| 00:45 | | Kindamoody is now known as Kindamoody[zZz] |
| 00:48 | <@simon> | gnolam, Dutch is great. a lot of stuff translates literally from Danish. :) like "tandpasta"! |
| 00:49 | <&McMartin> | The general word for those are "calques" |
| 00:49 | <&McMartin> | Calques are fun |
| 00:49 | <@gnolam> | simon: The "U kunt ..." signs are the best. |
| 00:50 | <@simon> | gnolam, hehe. |
| 00:50 | <@simon> | gnolam, that only made sense when I spoke it aloud inside my head with my worst Dutch accent. |
| 00:50 | <&McMartin> | (A Finn of my acquaintance once described Finnish as a language designed by redneck elves, offering as an example that they called the hippopotamus a "river-horse") |
| 00:51 | <&McMartin> | (... I then had to explain what "hippopotamus" in fact meant) |
| 00:51 | <@gnolam> | McMartin: and they took most of those from Swedish. :) |
| 00:51 | <@gnolam> | I think Afrikaans might be even slightly funnier than Dutch though, if nothing else than for "soundtrack" being "klankbaan". |
| 00:52 | <&McMartin> | Is English unusual amongst the Germanic languages for bouncing its compounds through Greek? |
| 00:52 | <@simon> | Afrikaans is funny. I have one South African friend and his acquaintances are so strange to listen to. |
| 00:52 | <@simon> | it's like a mash-up of English, Dutch and a dozen other things I have no idea what is. |
| 00:53 | | * McMartin has met at least one of the .za-ites here, actually, his English sounded fine |
| 00:53 | <@simon> | right |
| 00:53 | <@simon> | that's my impression, too. |
| 00:54 | <@simon> | although my SA friend is an English teacher, so my limited sample is biased. :P |
| 00:55 | <@simon> | I listened to Die Antwoord for a while, and they say that there's at least a dozen languages in South Africa. |
| 00:58 | <&McMartin> | I find that claim very easily believable |
| 00:58 | <@Azash> | McMartin: To be fair it's not quite as formal a term either |
| 00:58 | <@Azash> | It's more like stream horsie |
| 00:59 | <@simon> | Azash, are you Finnish? |
| 01:00 | <@Azash> | Correct |
| 01:00 | <&McMartin> | I should clarify that the Finn of my acquaintance in this case was not Azash. :) |
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| 04:14 | <~Vornicus> | hex literals make me feel like haxxor |
| 04:14 | <&McMartin> | h0xx0r |
| 04:15 | <~Vornicus> | yes |
| 04:18 | <&[R]> | http://www.studylifestyle.com/2016/xtra-pc/1/?cid=7&utm_term=slashdot&sxid=avlua d75a6p7 <-- I'm guessing this is just a Linux distro or something |
| 04:24 | <@mac> | [R]: Google says yup - turnkey auto-installer for a reasonably user-freidnly Linux boot. |
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| 04:27 | <&[R]> | Wait auto-installer? |
| 04:28 | | * [R] read through and thought it was a live distro |
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| 04:31 | <&[R]> | http://reventlov.com/advisories/using-the-docker-command-to-root-the-host |
| 04:35 | <@mac> | [R]: ... joy. That's gonna put the kybosh on our plans for seperated access of production machines. |
| 04:36 | <&[R]> | Yeah |
| 04:36 | <&[R]> | Just remember: it's not a VM |
| 04:37 | <@mac> | Currently, our setup is the smallest possible set of people have access to the production machine... because anyone who has access has tota, unobstructed root access to everything on that machine. |
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| 04:38 | <@mac> | This, of course, means such fun experiences as debugging production isses via a game of broken telephone. (Okay, now do this command. What does it say? Okay, try this.) |
| 04:38 | <&[R]> | Yeah, I'd look at something that does automatic VM provisioning instead. |
| 04:38 | <@mac> | Plans were in place to get proper, seperate user accoutns set up for the various services on each machine. |
| 04:39 | <@mac> | Including giving some people access to their docker containers. |
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| 04:52 | <&[R]> | mac: actually I remember a write-up on how to make a very locked down (using mount's read-only FS feature) system. I'll see if I can dig it up for you. |
| 04:53 | <&[R]> | However, if you're using something esoteric like systemd, you'll probably end up with a misbehaving daemon that doesn't function. |
| 04:53 | <@mac> | Throw me a link; I'll pass it along. |
| 04:57 | <&[R]> | I might not find it, it's been almosta decade |
| 04:58 | <@mac> | Oh, not Docker-specific, then. |
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| 05:01 | <&[R]> | No, but it'll mitigate some attack vectors that docker issue can do (specifically ones that alter things only root can) |
| 05:01 | <&[R]> | However, it requires heavy use of partitioning the system. |
| 05:01 | <&[R]> | I think it's like a minimum of 15 partitions? |
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| 05:04 | <@mac> | Hmm. Well, if you find it, shoot me a link. |
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| 05:17 | <&[R]> | Yeah, I don't know if it's still online, can't find it |
| 05:19 | <@mac> | Ah, well. |
| 05:25 | <&[R]> | General gist of it was to make everything its own partition pretty much. |
| 05:25 | <&[R]> | IIRC the only things on / itself were /mount /bin and /root |
| 05:26 | <&[R]> | /etc became a readonly partition, /usr was likewise made readonly |
| 05:26 | <&[R]> | If you needed to update, you had a special boot mode setup where it'd boot in full read-write, but wouldn't start any daemons. |
| 05:26 | <&[R]> | Shame I can't find it, it was really, really detailed. |
| 05:28 | <&[R]> | However, as I think about, a docker image might be able to remount one of the read-only partitions as read-write... which defeats the purpose. |
| 05:30 | <&[R]> | <enderst> http://stacki.com/ |
| 05:30 | <&[R]> | <enderst> https://www.ovirt.org/blog/2016/08/up-and-running-with-ovirt-4-0-and-gluster-sto rage/ |
| 05:30 | <&[R]> | ^ Of interest though |
| 05:43 | <@mac> | Eh. We're just getting past the hump of dockerizing. I doubt going back to VMs will be a well-received suggestion. |
| 05:45 | <&[R]> | Fair enough I suppose |
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| 08:36 | <@Alek> | wait, isn't the Potomac River basically the Stream River then? |
| 08:40 | <~Vornicus> | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potomac_River#History |
| 08:51 | <@Alek> | ah, a false cognate. |
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| 13:31 | <@Emmy-werk> | PEBKAC! |
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| 13:32 | <@Emmy-werk> | Couldn't find out why the fuck my string search kept returning 0 |
| 13:33 | <@Emmy-werk> | turns out, i should use instr(searchinthisstring,searchforthis), not instr(searchforthis,searchinthisstring) |
| 13:33 | <@Emmy-werk> | that took me entirely too long to find out |
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| 15:11 | <@TheWatcher> | Good gods, the select2 documentation is shit |
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| 16:29 | <@abudhabi> | Hm. Can you inline @media in style attributes? |
| 16:36 | <@abudhabi> | Nevermind. |
| 16:37 | | * abudhabi just makes a <style> and class. |
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| 18:02 | < catadroid> | Watching C++ experts attempt to partially implement transducers is really painful |
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| 21:31 | <&McMartin> | Heh |
| 21:31 | <&McMartin> | Apparently I've been quoted in the topic of another channel |
| 21:32 | <&[R]> | Congrats |
| 21:32 | <&[R]> | You are now famous |
| 21:32 | <&McMartin> | "I have different priorities when it comes to what libraries I'm still willing to use" |
| 21:34 | <~Vornicus> | ? |
| 21:35 | <&[R]> | He dislikes public libraries since they're used by mere pedestrians. His own private library is well stocked with the most prime of all books. |
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| 22:05 | <@simon> | I was going to refer to Borges'es essay "The Analytical Language of John Wilkins" and say that all you need is a proper encyclopedia of everything, but couldn't remember the title even by googling, and so I had to take down a book from my shelf and find out. and that feels really great, even though it happens very rarely, that books are a better source of knowledge than google. :) |
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