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| 11:01 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[lab] |
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| 13:32 | < Emmy-werk> | D'oh. I need more screen real estate. |
| 13:36 | <@abudhabi> | Acquire more monitors. |
| 13:58 | < Emmy-werk> | Easier said than done at work |
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| 14:08 | <@abudhabi> | Emmy-werk: "Hey, boss, can I have another monitor?" |
| 14:17 | < Emmy-werk> | "Hey Emmy, can I have some more money?" |
| 14:18 | < Emmy-werk> | I volunteer for a non-profit. :P |
| 14:18 | < Emmy-werk> | Fortunately, it's an IT-related one, so the next time i spot an abandoned screen, it's mine. >:D |
| 14:18 | <@abudhabi> | Is your boss destitute? |
| 14:21 | <@Alek> | FPA "Is your boss a prostitute?" |
| 14:21 | < Emmy-werk> | I'd think not >.> |
| 14:21 | <@abudhabi> | I mean: http://m.finn.no/bap/forsale/ad.html?finnkode=82739548 |
| 14:21 | <@abudhabi> | 6 bucks for a monitor in a very expensive country. |
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| 14:48 | < Emmy-werk> | Ehh, it's not just money for one. It's also place. With more than one person per desk it's slightly unhandy to have two monitors, not to mention somewhat rude. :P |
| 14:55 | | * Emmy-werk facedesks. |
| 14:56 | < Emmy-werk> | 1d10t Error. |
| 14:56 | < Emmy-werk> | I am investigating a bug i noticed |
| 14:56 | < Emmy-werk> | turns out, it's default Access behaviour. One i purposefully left in place to boot. |
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| 15:18 | <@ToxicFrog> | https://medium.com/@hwayne/ruby-vs-python-the-definitive-faq-5cb0046292be#.pss62 uqty |
| 15:20 | <@TheWatcher> | .... pft, that's awesome |
| 15:21 | <@TheWatcher> | Espectially the last two lines >.> |
| 15:22 | <@TheWatcher> | (Although, my experience of late tends to be "What programming language should I use for my startup?" "Why only use only one, when you can use 10 for no sane or discernable reason?!" |
| 15:22 | <@TheWatcher> | ) |
| 15:23 | < Emmy-werk> | Oh! I know! Use VBA! |
| 15:23 | | * Emmy-werk is shot |
| 15:27 | | * Vornicus counts languages he'd use for a full web project. you need js, a backend language, sql, possibly bash, and then if you count them, css or things that compile to it and html or things that compile to it |
| 15:32 | <@TheWatcher> | I'm just talking abou tbackend here. |
| 15:33 | <@TheWatcher> | One system I maintain for work uses ruby (both standalone, and rails), python, go, bash, whatever the hell they're talking to redis through, and some C++. Then there's the normal sql, js, etc on top. |
| 15:34 | <@TheWatcher> | Another is python, ruby, and nodejs, plus the usual suspects. |
| 15:34 | <~Vornicus> | silliness |
| 15:35 | <@TheWatcher> | That's... a generous term |
| 15:35 | | * Emmy-werk usually suspects silliness. |
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| 15:45 | <@gnolam> | ToxicFrog: :D |
| 15:49 | <@ToxicFrog> | Vornicus: where does the bash come in? |
| 15:50 | <@ToxicFrog> | Hmm. For me it would be Clojure, CSS, and HTML (unless you count "html represented as clojure data structures" as clojure) |
| 15:52 | <~Vornicus> | bash shows up for maintenance tasks, usually run via cron |
| 15:56 | <@ToxicFrog> | I'm trying to figure out what maintenance tasks you need for a web service that aren't just general whole-system things like backups |
| 15:59 | <~Vornicus> | Status checks for payment gateways that don't offer webhooks; timeouts of 'offer' type things, stuff like that. |
| 16:02 | <@ToxicFrog> | So monitoring? |
| 16:03 | <@ToxicFrog> | Doesn't that go in your local monit/nagios/collectd/borgmon config? |
| 16:05 | <~Vornicus> | considering I've never heard of *any* of those, well, no |
| 16:06 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aah. |
| 16:07 | <@ToxicFrog> | They're monitoring daemons; they watch your stuff and generate pretty graphs and/or alerts. |
| 16:07 | <@ToxicFrog> | I use monit and am considering switching to collectd. |
| 16:10 | <@ToxicFrog> | Nagios is a giant enterprise-grade monitoring system; collectd is primarily metrics collection with some limited alerting/monitoring tools; monit seems to be collectd without the graphs. |
| 16:10 | <@ToxicFrog> | (borgmon is the Google datacenter monitoring system) |
| 16:13 | <~Vornicus> | This actually doesn't sound like what I'm up to, really |
| 16:17 | <~Vornicus> | the goal is to, for instance, when a buyer's payment gets to a point where I can say "yeah the money is coming", tell the seller about it |
| 16:18 | <~Vornicus> | but the payment system needs me to ask it that question |
| 16:37 | <@ToxicFrog> | I think I now understand even less of what you're doing. |
| 16:42 | <~Vornicus> | So every couple of hours or so my cron job goes and asks the payment system "what's the status on all these payments" and then based on the results sends emails and sets up stuff in the db. This isn't system monitoring so much as "I have an external service that I need to poll and perform user visible actions" |
| 17:00 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aah. |
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| 18:36 | <@TheWatcher> | "borgmon". Seriously? |
| 18:41 | | * Vornicus gets a proper bash scripting task for the first time in a while, now that he's talking about it, sets about it. |
| 18:49 | | * Vornicus tries to remember how to use find. this will be fun. |
| 18:49 | <&[R]> | What kind of use did you need? |
| 18:51 | <~Vornicus> | got a directory full of files, subdirectories, and zipped stuff. |
| 18:51 | <~Vornicus> | Need to unzip everything, and take every file and put it into a single, flat directory |
| 18:52 | <~Vornicus> | This will probably require multiple passes. |
| 18:53 | <@celticminstrel> | One pass to unzip, one pass to flatten? |
| 18:53 | <@celticminstrel> | Seems like the second pass might just need find with no arguments. |
| 18:53 | <&[R]> | find DIRECTORY -exec mv -i {} NEWDIRECTORY \; ; cd NEWDIRECTORY; for f in *.zip; do unzip $f; done # Something like this. UNTESTED. |
| 18:54 | <&[R]> | Oh, except you need unzip as the first step, which would mean that'd be another find. |
| 18:54 | <&[R]> | Instead of a for. |
| 18:55 | <~Vornicus> | oh I can get there from here |
| 18:56 | <~Vornicus> | thank you |
| 18:56 | <&[R]> | np |
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| 21:48 | <@ToxicFrog> | TheWatcher: yes? |
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| 22:05 | <&jerith> | TheWatcher: Their giant task/container orchestration thing is called "borg", so I assume "borgmon" is the thing that monitors it. |
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| 22:53 | <@TheWatcher> | I... see. That's not terrifying at all. |
| 22:54 | <@Tamber> | I presume they knew exactly what they were doing when they named it that~ |
| 22:55 | <@ToxicFrog> | jerith has it, yes. |
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