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| 03:46 | <&[R]> | Derakon: Would you rather fight 100 duck sized horses, or one horse-sized duck? |
| 03:55 | <&Derakon> | ...good question. |
| 03:56 | <&Derakon> | I suspect the horse-sized duck would find itself having difficulty moving, as its body is not really built to the right scale. |
| 03:56 | <&Derakon> | (Conversely, the duck-sized horses might find they have trouble getting enough oxygen) |
| 03:56 | <&Derakon> | It would of course be a lot easier to get a height advantage on the horses. |
| 04:00 | <&McMartin> | But a hundred is a lot. |
| 04:00 | <&Derakon> | Indeed. |
| 04:01 | <~Vornicus> | all the horse's main attacks are built on the assumption that they're big enough to do things. A kick from somethign that's only 1.5kg isn't going to hurt, and a bit from something with a mouth only, uh -- 2cm wide isn't going to do much damage |
| 04:03 | <&McMartin> | A swan the size of a horse that isn't collapsing under its weight is basically as much of a threat as a velociraptor |
| 04:03 | <&Derakon> | Wait, ducks are not swans. |
| 04:04 | <&Derakon> | I will totally take 100 tiny horses over 1 regular swan. |
| 04:12 | <~Vornicus> | the main difficulty with 100 tiny horses is just having enough stamina to apply the hurt |
| 04:15 | <&McMartin> | Also I would feel kind of bad about stomping a hundred adorable tiny horses even if they're in a bad mood |
| 04:17 | <&Derakon> | Well, maybe we can set up a victory condition to this fight that does not require harming them? |
| 04:17 | <&Derakon> | Lure them into a crate or something. |
| 04:19 | <~Vornicus> | THat is true |
| 04:23 | <&Derakon> | I wonder if tiny horses can swim. |
| 04:24 | <&Derakon> | ...for that matter, can regular horses swim? |
| 04:24 | <&Derakon> | Apparently yes, barely, without any burden. |
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| 16:20 | < catadroid> | ...I think my view is now that types are misused conceptually by virtually every language |
| 16:20 | < catadroid> | The point being that types should serve the program rather than vice versa |
| 16:23 | < catadroid> | It would take me a while to elaborate on that |
| 16:23 | < catadroid> | But i may attempt to |
| 16:23 | < catadroid> | At some point |
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| 16:35 | <@Pi> | catadroid: Many type systems in mainstream programming languages are nearly-useless toys, once you learn what an expressive type system can actually do for you. |
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| 16:37 | < catadroid> | It's more that types tend to be used as the primary up front requirement rather than being used as metadata for potentially existing systems |
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| 17:54 | <&McMartin> | Inventor of LOGO died |
| 17:54 | <@celticminstrel> | Oh my. |
| 17:55 | <~Vornicus> | :( |
| 17:55 | <~Vornicus> | I 'learned' logo when I was like 8 |
| 17:55 | <@celticminstrel> | I don't know the exact age, but it could've been 8. |
| 17:56 | <@celticminstrel> | I had a book on Logo which used some old dialect (Terrapin or something? Can't remember), but was actually working with UBC Logo, so some things didn't work the same. |
| 17:59 | <&McMartin> | Terrapin was the C64 implementation, IIRC. Might have also been the Apple one? |
| 18:00 | <&McMartin> | And yeah, I 'learned' LOGO at 7, and then actually learned it at 12 or so |
| 18:01 | <~Vornicus> | it was on apple 2s and we only got like an hour in the computer lab every few weeks |
| 18:01 | <~Vornicus> | 2gs even |
| 18:01 | <@celticminstrel> | The book also had a section explaining how Apple Logo differed from the dialect it was working with. |
| 18:02 | <@celticminstrel> | Presumably that's the dialect that Vorn just mentioned. |
| 18:02 | <&McMartin> | Yeah |
| 18:03 | <&McMartin> | Terrapin in particular was complete enough to be the Lisp dialect it was supposed to be |
| 18:04 | <&McMartin> | ... oh yeah, I should add "... and then implemented it as a routine school project at 18" |
| 18:04 | <&McMartin> | Since that was the final project at Berkeley's intro CS course at the time. |
| 18:04 | <~Vornicus> | I'm always jealous of those who actually learned to program before they got to college |
| 18:04 | <&McMartin> | Turns out to be a mixed blessing, or was when I was doing that |
| 18:05 | | * celticminstrel also learned C++ in high school... >_> |
| 18:05 | <&McMartin> | I lot of people who learned programming in the gutter got preconceptions they couldn't break later and washed out |
| 18:05 | <@ErikMesoy> | I have really mixed experiences with that |
| 18:06 | <~Vornicus> | technically all I really had were compute's gazette type-ins |
| 18:09 | <&McMartin> | ENTER and its followup in 3-2-1 Contact were probably better for learning |
| 18:10 | <&McMartin> | Having now browsed the Gazette in the modern age, I have to admit these are more unusually inconvenient software downloads |
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| 18:13 | <~Vornicus> | yes |
| 18:13 | <~Vornicus> | I never even heard of ENTER |
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| 18:15 | <~Vornicus> | Nowadays I look at stuff like haskell and wish I'd met it earlier and also wish I had the brainspace to play with it. Need vitamin R or something |
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| 20:46 | <~Vornicus> | "turing-kruger test" |
| 20:47 | <&McMartin> | ... Is this where people mistakenly think they understand how to program, but are secretly failing because they're writing for Android? |
| 20:50 | < catalyst> | :o |
| 20:51 | <&McMartin> | ... I seem to have folded the Voigt-Kampff test in there too and I'm not sure the original writer intended that |
| 20:53 | <~Vornicus> | it actually refers to apparently someone took exception to the extreme positions of a bot in the "enough libertarian spam" channel |
| 20:56 | <&McMartin> | Hold a conversation with a being and the decide whether or not it's a robot or a real, organic moron, then? |
| 21:02 | <~Vornicus> | https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughLibertarianSpam/comments/4vnwgs/libertarian_visit or_to_els_takes_exception_to/ |
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| 22:03 | <&McMartin> | http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/08/windows-10-one-year-later-the-anniversary -update/ |
| 22:04 | <&McMartin> | The discussion of the Linux subsystem actually also ends up explaining why the idle process used to suck up tons of memory! |
| 22:04 | <&McMartin> | (Spoiler: Because there's an in-memory compressed disk cache between "in the buffer cache" and "not in RAM" and it was charged to the idle process) |
| 22:46 | <@ErikMesoy> | Bloody timezones |
| 22:47 | <@ErikMesoy> | It's $YEAR and me being supposedly a mature adult, scheduling with other people who are supposedly mature adults, still involves "so at a time of three hours 45 minutes ago, on Friday". |
| 22:56 | <@ErikMesoy> | What do you guys do to get clocktimes scheduled and ensure you do not get timezone conversion screwups along the way? |
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| 23:06 | <@gnolam> | Times specified with UTC offsets. |
| 23:09 | <&[R]> | ErikMesoy: I just use "this time today, with the following offset" unless I can actually say something like "in 14 hours" |
| 23:09 | <&[R]> | Any other method is just a headache for everyone involved. |
| 23:10 | <&[R]> | However, I also generally have a public way of getting my local time, and I share when it is in my local time. |
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