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| 01:46 | <&Derakon> | http://www.haneycodes.net/npm-left-pad-have-we-forgotten-how-to-program/ |
| 01:47 | <&Derakon> | A little fallout from today's Javascript insanity. |
| 01:51 | | * [R] thought mkdirp was the only stupid "project"/"module" for node.js... |
| 01:51 | < [R]> | I mean I understand avoiding NIH... but seriously. |
| 01:51 | <&Derakon> | "make derp" does sound like a stupid module. |
| 01:51 | < [R]> | :p |
| 01:53 | <&McMartin> | Man, that article is amazing |
| 01:53 | < [R]> | There's also the lovely trio of one-function modules that depend on each other (from the comments) |
| 01:55 | <&Derakon> | And of course, all of this would have been a much, much smaller problem if apparently thousands of build tools and deployment systems pulled packages from NPM rather than use locally-cached copies. |
| 01:56 | <&Derakon> | And thus, the absence of a package on NPM (or the replacement of that package by hostile code!) would break their websites. |
| 01:57 | < [R]> | You mean if they didn't do that? |
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| 01:57 | <&Derakon> | Er, right. |
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| 01:58 | <&McMartin> | my favorite part is isPositiveInteger having 3 dependencies |
| 01:58 | < [R]> | Yeah |
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| 02:01 | <&Derakon> | Hm...from the comments, common complaints seem to be a) Javascript has a pathetic "standard library", and b) you can't have huge monolithic dependencies (like e.g. boost in the C++ world) because that increases your page size unacceptably. |
| 02:01 | <&Derakon> | Seems to me the solution here is to have the browser cache common dependencies. |
| 02:01 | <&Derakon> | So the server says "Okay, I need these libraries with these MD5 sums" and then the client says "I already have 75% of those, give me the ones I don't have", bam done. |
| 02:02 | < [R]> | npm doesn't run in a browser |
| 02:02 | < [R]> | npm is for node.js |
| 02:02 | <&Derakon> | ...wait, it's server-side? |
| 02:02 | <&Derakon> | Then why are they complaining about payload size? |
| 02:02 | < [R]> | Also yes, JS' standard library is really bare bones. |
| 02:03 | < [R]> | "Page size" to me means RAM usage. |
| 02:05 | <&McMartin> | I don't care how bare-bones your library is if the operation is not merely a single line of code but a single expression not only should that not be a module a creditable case can be made that it shouldn't even be a function |
| 02:08 | < [R]> | Yeah, iPI is the worst offender of the bunch. |
| 02:09 | < [R]> | Actually it kind of reminds me of PHP.net doc comments. Where there's people constantly giving helpful code (of vastly varying quality). Sometimes people share functions that... really needn't have been written. |
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| 14:20 | <&ToxicFrog> | Derakon[AFK]: buried under all that is the fact that apparently, in JS, left-padding a string is 11 lines of code rather than a single call to format |
| 14:28 | < natanial> | hello |
| 14:31 | <&ToxicFrog> | 'morning |
| 14:32 | < natanial> | how is thy today |
| 14:38 | < natanial> | uhh i have romeo and juliet papers today |
| 14:42 | < Emmy> | right. back to useful things. :) |
| 14:43 | <&ToxicFrog> | Ick. |
| 14:43 | <&ToxicFrog> | I'm mostly managing robots and listening the Crypt of the NecroDancer soundtracks. |
| 14:43 | < Emmy> | robots? |
| 14:43 | < Emmy> | kewl |
| 14:43 | <&ToxicFrog> | Emmy: well, software robots, not physical robots. |
| 14:43 | | * ToxicFrog is making sweeping automated changes to the codebase |
| 14:43 | < Emmy> | oh? how so? |
| 14:43 | < Emmy> | oh like that |
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| 14:44 | < crystalclaw> | Gah. flake8 is not cooperating. |
| 14:45 | < crystalclaw> | Stupid useless error messages. âincorrect syntaxâ is not useful. |
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| 14:46 | < Emmy> | ah, love those |
| 14:46 | < crystalclaw> | Can you not set a global variable like global location = loc in python? |
| 14:47 | < Emmy> | bad crystal! no globals! |
| 14:47 | < crystalclaw> | This is a data management module. I am using globals here so I donât have to everywhere. |
| 14:47 | < crystalclaw> | and also so I donât have to remember where the most current data is. |
| 14:48 | <&ToxicFrog> | crystalclaw: "global NAME" and the assignment need to be separate statements. |
| 14:48 | < crystalclaw> | Ah, okay. |
| 14:49 | <&ToxicFrog> | Emmy: specifically, I'm doing a thing that touches ~2000 files and ~10kLOC but will make build/test performance better and make life easier for our experimenters. |
| 14:50 | < Emmy> | ah, defragmenting of sorts? |
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| 14:57 | | * natanial snickers |
| 14:57 | <&ToxicFrog> | Emmy: at the moment we have a bunch of...configuration data, for lack of a better term -- that's duplicated in both C++ code and the config files themselves. I'm replacing all occurrences in C++ with a macro that automatically derives it from the contents of the config file. |
| 15:00 | | * TheWatcher engages in the Feature Request Prognostication Ritual |
| 15:02 | < Emmy> | ah, duplicates cleanup. |
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| 15:35 | < [R]> | <ToxicFrog> Derakon[AFK]: buried under all that is the fact that apparently, in JS, left-padding a string is 11 lines of code rather than a single call to format <-- It was mentioned elsewhere that code is horribly inefficient. There are much simpler and faster ways to do it. General concensus was to use Array's push and join, as V8 optimizes that case. |
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| 15:36 | < [R]> | Also holy WTF Vivaldi. Three tabs open, all TVTropes and you need 13 processes and 3.5GB of RAM? |
| 15:38 | < Emmy> | ...What the fucking fuck? access just outright crashed for no reason |
| 15:39 | < Emmy> | vivaldi? |
| 15:39 | < Emmy> | also, 12 processors? |
| 15:39 | < Emmy> | 13, even!? |
| 15:39 | < [R]> | Processes |
| 15:40 | < Emmy> | ah. makes a bit more sense. |
| 15:40 | < Emmy> | perhaps 1 process for every plugin? |
| 15:40 | < Emmy> | running on a page, i mean |
| 15:40 | < [R]> | Maybe |
| 15:41 | <@TheWatcher> | I'm more boggling at that 3.5GB of ram |
| 15:42 | < [R]> | One process has 2GB, another 1GB, the rest are totallying around .5GB |
| 15:43 | < [R]> | If the multiprocess model is anything like Chromes, I'm guessing those first two are the page displays. |
| 15:43 | < Emmy> | i suppose that's also a bit fucky |
| 15:43 | < Emmy> | still, 2gb for a single page? |
| 15:43 | < [R]> | Which means 1GB per page. |
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| 20:51 | | * ToxicFrog discovers the deliciousness of 'lein ring' |
| 20:52 | <&McMartin> | Oh hey, it is a TF |
| 20:52 | | * ToxicFrog also discovers two new NecroDancer soundtracks and a giant pile of Shovel Knight music on bandcamp, goes to town |
| 20:52 | <&ToxicFrog> | It is! |
| 20:52 | <&McMartin> | Do you happen to have a 64-bit Windows machine you can help me test stuff with after work |
| 20:52 | <&ToxicFrog> | I may vanish for dinner soon, though. |
| 20:52 | <&McMartin> | Yeah, I just finished lunch and I'm not sure if schedule overlap will work |
| 20:52 | <&ToxicFrog> | durandal is win7-professional-amd64, yes |
| 20:53 | <&ToxicFrog> | What needs testing? |
| 20:53 | <&McMartin> | I'm trying to figure out what needs to be the same for VICE multiplayer to work |
| 20:53 | <&ToxicFrog> | As far as schedule coordination goes, we shut down the toddlebot around 1630 your time and I usually go to sleep 2-3 hours after that. |
| 20:53 | <&McMartin> | My current theory is "they need to be bit-exact executables" but I don't have two systems anywhere at home running the same OS. |
| 20:53 | <&McMartin> | Okay, we won't be sorting anything out tonight~ |
| 20:54 | <&McMartin> | It's super-unlikely I'll make it home by 1930 |
| 20:54 | | * ToxicFrog nods |
| 20:55 | <&ToxicFrog> | I note that it's always possible to bring up two instances on the same machine |
| 20:55 | <&McMartin> | Yes, and that works just fine |
| 20:55 | <&ToxicFrog> | Or at least I would hope it is |
| 20:55 | <&ToxicFrog> | Aah. |
| 20:55 | <&McMartin> | It's once I try to connect to another machine on the LAN that everything explodes |
| 20:55 | <&ToxicFrog> | So you want to see if that will work with the same executable, but different hardware/patch levels/etc |
| 20:55 | <&McMartin> | Or to try to connect to somebody's machine elsewhere. |
| 20:55 | <&McMartin> | Right. |
| 20:55 | <&McMartin> | And "same executable" means, at least, "compatible OS" |
| 20:55 | | * ToxicFrog nods |
| 20:56 | <&McMartin> | I'll ask around elsenet; people running Win64 are not exactly rarities |
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| 20:59 | <&McMartin> | ... I suppose I could run a Linux VM on one machine and try to connect it to the actual Linux machine. |
| 21:00 | <&ToxicFrog> | Ok, Crypt of the NecroDancer Freestyle Retro is the business |
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| 21:31 | <&McMartin> | I'm two songs in and I fully agree. |
| 21:38 | < Attilla> | what's freestyle retro |
| 21:39 | <&McMartin> | Jake Kaufman's name for his album of chiptune music for Crypt of the NecroDancer |
| 21:39 | < Attilla> | ah, cool |
| 21:39 | <&McMartin> | Kaufman did, among other things, the Shovel Knight soundtrack. He's one of the Old Masters for chiptunes at this point. |
| 21:39 | <@celticminstrel> | Isn't he the one who did all the Shantae soundtracks? |
| 21:40 | <&McMartin> | That too, I think. |
| 21:40 | <&McMartin> | He's "virt" |
| 21:40 | <&McMartin> | He's done a *lot* of work. |
| 21:40 | <&McMartin> | If he didn't do *all* the Shantae soundtracks he was at least involved with them heavily. |
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| 21:42 | <@ErikMesoy> | *sigh* Floating pooooooiiiiiiiint. This tooltip is telling me it increases the relevant variable by 220.00000000000003%. |
| 21:43 | <@celticminstrel> | Too much precision. :P |
| 21:46 | <&McMartin> | Oh hey, also |
| 21:47 | <&McMartin> | It's "Freestyle Retro" because this entire album is improvisational based on listening to the soundtrack and trying to mimic it. |
| 21:50 | <&ToxicFrog> | Yes. |
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