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| 01:36 | <@Crossfire> | So, I'm in china. I can resolve google.com but I can't ping it. Help? |
| 01:39 | <~Vornicus> | proxies |
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| 01:55 | <@Crossfire> | How do I find proxies when I can't google? |
| 01:56 | <@Crossfire> | Doesn't seem like I can most things on port 80. |
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| 01:57 | <~Vornicus> | you're in china. this happens. |
| 01:58 | <~Vornicus> | Only advice I have is Ask Roscoe |
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| 13:12 | <@froztbyte> | McMartin: http://www.ausersmanual.org/ |
| 13:12 | <@froztbyte> | and possibly anyone else |
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| 14:17 | < Natanial> | Morning |
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| 21:53 | <@Alek> | if I wanna learn JS, do I want O'Reilly's Learning Javascript (the library also has Javascript Patterns and Javascript Cookbook), the Javascript Bible (several editions up to 2009), Beautiful Javascript or Beginning Javascript (2015), or other? |
| 21:55 | < crystalclaw> | Well, Iāve had luck with this: https://www.codecademy.com |
| 21:55 | < crystalclaw> | I donāt know about the books though. I love reading, but coding books go out of date super fast. |
| 21:56 | <&McMartin> | While it requires reading with a skeptical eye and already having had some experience, "JavaScript: The Good Parts" is a good book. |
| 21:56 | <&McMartin> | It's also a very slim one~ |
| 21:56 | <&McMartin> | Joking aside, this is because one of the good parts is that it gets a lot of generality out of a small number of features |
| 21:56 | <&McMartin> | But that's what makes it a terrible tutorial |
| 22:02 | <@Alek> | ahuh... |
| 22:05 | <~Vornicus> | I learned js by osmosis |
| 22:05 | <~Vornicus> | also it is strange to see reverse-text used as emphasis |
| 22:06 | <~Vornicus> | Alek: what's your programming experience? What languages have you used, to what ends? |
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| 22:10 | <@Alek> | python, c/c++, incompletely self-taught. OLD basic and cobol from DeVry. no actual experience yet. |
| 22:12 | <@Alek> | HTML/XHTML with a forgotten dash of CSS. |
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| 23:48 | < [R]> | Alek: I learned JS on my own. Primarily by being on a largish ExtJS project (ExtJS is very easy to get into a state where it throws out useless stacktraces), then playing with node.js. IMO the main thing you want to grok is how scoping/closures work in JS. Then how inheritance works and what alternatives extist, and how the alternatives actually work. |
| 23:49 | <&McMartin> | A lot of this depends on how incomplete the incompletely self-taught is |
| 23:50 | < crystalclaw> | ^ |
| 23:51 | < crystalclaw> | Iām self-taught in javascript, but if you asked me to write anything in it, itād mostly be relearing on the fly from google and trial-and-error. |
| 23:52 | <&McMartin> | Right, but from the experience listed we may be at "do we need to go over what local variables are" |
| 23:52 | <&McMartin> | COBOL didn't really have them and BASIC didn't until its second of three generations |
| 23:57 | <~Vornicus> | C and Python do, but you don't have to insist |
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