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| 01:52 | <&Derakon> | http://boxcar2d.com/winners.html |
| 01:52 | <&Derakon> | A webapp that evolves various "cars" and tries to find ones that can efficiently complete various terrains. That page has the best cars found for each of the prebuilt levels. |
| 01:52 | <&Derakon> | "If two adjacent angles (after summation) were different by pi, then it would try to create a triangle with no area. In older versions this was fine, but with the new box2d library, this would break the simulation. The car would fall through the floor and recieve the maximum score on any level in a few seconds. I've since patched it to detect this and nudge the angles a little. Thanks to Michael Boland. It evolved on its own too!! " |
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| 15:15 | < abudhabi> | http://i.imgur.com/RX3SZoG.jpg <- Pretty sure that's not what I ordered! |
| 15:22 | <@gnolam> | The eyelashes I can understand, but what were you going to use the eyelids for?~ |
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| 16:07 | < abudhabi> | Dark Purposes. |
| 16:09 | < ErikMesoy> | Lashing them together into plus-size eyelids for anime characters. |
| 16:09 | <@gnolam> | "Don't eat the eyeball, brujo!" |
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| 22:01 | <&McMartin> | http://www.develop-online.net/news/ant-simulator-cancelled-after-devs-spend-kick starter-money-on-booze-and-strippers/0216116 |
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| 22:55 | <@Reiv> | McMartin: Have you any commentary on that particular subject |
| 22:56 | <&McMartin> | Not really, no |
| 22:56 | <&McMartin> | Other than "lol" |
| 22:56 | <@Reiv> | wait, why 'lol' |
| 22:56 | <@Reiv> | Was there something especially foolish done here |
| 22:57 | <&McMartin> | "This actually is what everybody claims every delayed kickstarter is" |
| 22:59 | < ErikMesoy> | Is this where I say "That's not true!" and then list an exception that has its own absurdities of similar degree but different sort? :P |
| 22:59 | <&McMartin> | Those "everys" should not be taken as meaning "without exception" |
| 23:01 | < ErikMesoy> | I realize this. Hence my specification that the comedic exception should not be much of an exception. I didn't mean to offer a serious counterexample. |
| 23:01 | <@Reiv> | ErikMesoy: You mean like doublefine or |
| 23:01 | <&McMartin> | Ouya is probably the most on-point example |
| 23:02 | <@Reiv> | I remain permanently irritated at my Very First Kickstarter. |
| 23:02 | < ErikMesoy> | Reiv: I was thinking Exalted 3e, which was overfunded to the tune of half a million dollars, then got delayed a year anyway |
| 23:02 | <&McMartin> | Double Fine, after all, left an extremely clear audit trail |
| 23:02 | < ErikMesoy> | Meanwhile the online schedule tracker for it kept creeping up in a disconcerting way: progress 4/7... 5/7... 7/9... 9/10 |
| 23:02 | <@Reiv> | Dude promised dice. Dude got the dice. Dude did not send the dice. Presumably the dice were not good... but c'mon, send them anyway. |
| 23:02 | <&McMartin> | Which also demonstrates how overfunding causes delays |
| 23:02 | <&McMartin> | Unless your task is somehow infinitely parallelizable (spoiler: it's not) |
| 23:02 | <@Reiv> | ErikMesoy: That is a rather puzzling method of tracking~ |
| 23:02 | <@Reiv> | McMartin: It might be! (it isn't) |
| 23:03 | < ErikMesoy> | Adding steps to your publishing progress, particularly at late stage of development, bears this worrying implication that you *don't know what you're doing* and you're discovering/making it up as you go. |
| 23:03 | <@Reiv> | ... this is a suprise /how/? |
| 23:03 | <&McMartin> | ... I think I can count the number of KSes that that's not true for on the fingers of one hand |
| 23:03 | < ErikMesoy> | It was 3e |
| 23:03 | <@Reiv> | Right, but new company wasn't it? |
| 23:03 | < ErikMesoy> | Right, but new company also had long publishing history |
| 23:04 | <@Reiv> | White Wolf got bought by CCP, who wanted to make an MMO, and then they didn't, but they fired basically everyone in the process, and and and |
| 23:04 | <&McMartin> | But yeah, the expectation from KS itself was clearly something more along the lines of FTL or Giana Sisters |
| 23:04 | < ErikMesoy> | Both company and gameline have long history; somehow manage to repeatedly discover extra steps in publishing process |
| 23:04 | <@Reiv> | McMartin: ?? |
| 23:04 | < ErikMesoy> | Reiv: and someone got cancer on the publishing team |
| 23:04 | < ErikMesoy> | and a car accident |
| 23:04 | <&McMartin> | Where the work has basically been done and there's a prospective Final Invoice that needs to be paid up at which point stuff starts coming out, completely done |
| 23:04 | < ErikMesoy> | and people wanting their money back after the first half year of delays, which caused more delays as they struggled to figure out that |
| 23:05 | <&McMartin> | This whole "crowdfund at the *beginning* of a project" thing is actually a violation of their original terms of service~ |
| 23:05 | <@Reiv> | McMartin: That is the kind of KS I tend to be happier funding, yeah |
| 23:05 | <@Reiv> | ...How'd that spidertank end up anyway. I should check. |
| 23:05 | <@Reiv> | augh, refunds are terrible always |
| 23:05 | <@Reiv> | Which speaking of I must investigate |
| 23:06 | < ErikMesoy> | Oh, and the year late is only measuring the *kickstarter* for Exalted 3e. Back in 2012 they announced it on their forum that it would probably be coming out this year. |
| 23:06 | <@Reiv> | One of my comic authors decided she couldn't do the work after all so offered refunds ;_; |
| 23:06 | <&McMartin> | Meanwhile, I have found an even better headline than the strippers and booze headline |
| 23:06 | <&McMartin> | http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/02/microsofts-new-way-for-coo ling-its-datacenters-throw-them-in-the-sea/ |
| 23:06 | <@gnolam> | McMartin: Do you mean the whole "there must be a prototype" thing they axed the laser razor on? |
| 23:06 | <@Reiv> | lazer razor |
| 23:06 | <&McMartin> | gnolam: ISTR it being stronger even than that |
| 23:06 | <&McMartin> | Along the lines of "you already need your production lined up" |
| 23:07 | <&McMartin> | But yeah, I mean, "there must be a prototype" pretty much wipes out every KS that is "do a print run of this digital media" |
| 23:08 | <@Reiv> | I dunno, do you have the digital media yet |
| 23:09 | | * ErikMesoy checks. Actually the Exalted 3e kickstarter has now ticked up to being 2 years late. |
| 23:09 | | * Reiv eyes that server solution, wonders why you don't just put server racks in a barge and *pump* the seawater through. |
| 23:09 | < ErikMesoy> | Reiv: Pumps take energy! |
| 23:09 | <&McMartin> | That might cost more? |
| 23:09 | <@Reiv> | I mean, it's clever physically dumping them in the sea, sure, but then you're building submarines |
| 23:09 | <@Reiv> | Boats and bilge pumps are Old Tech. |
| 23:09 | <&McMartin> | ... or anchors |
| 23:09 | < ErikMesoy> | No, you're building sealed containers. |
| 23:10 | <@Reiv> | ErikMesoy: Capable of sustained total submersion, and the water pressures involved |
| 23:10 | <@Reiv> | MS already does 40ft server-rack containers, apparently |
| 23:10 | < ErikMesoy> | Submarines generally involve things like self-propulsion and navigation. |
| 23:10 | <@Reiv> | I'm just wondering why you don't just start pumping seawater as your coolant and call it done |
| 23:10 | <@Reiv> | true, I guess |
| 23:10 | <&McMartin> | My guess is "they're in Seattle, they're *already* doing that" |
| 23:10 | <@Reiv> | McMartin: Apparently not! |
| 23:11 | <@Reiv> | Google uses seawater; MS built container racks; this is supposedly the fusion of the two concepts |
| 23:11 | <&McMartin> | Aha |
| 23:11 | <@Reiv> | I look at that statement and wonder why someone isn't just doing the floating equivalent. |
| 23:11 | <@Reiv> | Wher eyou can even have an IT go prod cabling if needed. |
| 23:11 | <&McMartin> | "Why pump it up when you can just lower it a half-meter" |
| 23:12 | <&McMartin> | That said, I like how it looks like a giant diving bell |
| 23:12 | | * Reiv wonders how much coastline actually allows convinient selection of half-meter sans surf issues. You probably end up with a lot more usage of continental shelf, but that's ... not half a meter any more, so to speak |
| 23:12 | <@Reiv> | It *is* a giant diving bell, with a server rack inside |
| 23:12 | <@Reiv> | And that's my objection, really |
| 23:13 | <@Reiv> | It seems hard work vs "Hey, if you want seawater cooling, why not just do that with containers on a boat and call it done" |
| 23:14 | <@Reiv> | I guess you might save if the passive cooling's power savings beat out the capital cost of diving bells and salvage gear and underwater cabling? |
| 23:14 | | * Reiv shrugs. |
| 23:15 | <&McMartin> | Yeah, and if salvage gear is, like, a winch |
| 23:15 | <&McMartin> | I'm imagining these suspended only a little ways below the surface |
| 23:15 | <&McMartin> | Not on the ocean floor miles below |
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| 23:24 | <@gnolam> | Yeah, that's a publicity stunt, not a practical solution. |
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