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| --- Day changed Thu Jan 28 2016 |
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| 00:05 | < Azash> | first world problems: When your friend can't read a document off your website because you tightened SSL too much |
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| 01:55 | <&McMartin> | Is the problem there that you are the one in the first world and your friend is not |
| 02:01 | <&McMartin> | Also, apparently github is on fire |
| 02:08 | < Azash> | McMartin: https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=wizard.engineering&latest |
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| 02:27 | | * ToxicFrog floons |
| 02:28 | <&ToxicFrog> | I kind of want to replace postfix because its configuration is complicated and messy |
| 02:28 | <&ToxicFrog> | So I decided to look at Exim |
| 02:28 | <&ToxicFrog> | this may have been a mistake |
| 02:30 | <@celticminstrel> | What does it mean for github to be on fire. |
| 02:31 | <&McMartin> | "We are continuing to investigate an issue seriously impacting all github.com services", according to their status feed |
| 02:31 | <&McMartin> | For about the past three hours |
| 02:35 | < [R]> | <ToxicFrog> So I decided to look at Exim <-- Exim is lovely. Some of the configuration options are hard-coded to certain values in certain distro's packages. Thus you can't change them even with a configuration file. |
| 02:36 | <&ToxicFrog> | celticminstrel: check these graphs: https://status.github.com |
| 02:36 | <&ToxicFrog> | [R]: yeah, it seems to be even more complicated and convoluted than postfix @.@ |
| 02:37 | < [R]> | Email is a giant clusterfuck |
| 02:37 | <&ToxicFrog> | All I want to do is accept mail to local users, relay mail from authenticated users, and pipe incoming mail through spamc ;.; |
| 02:37 | <&ToxicFrog> | yep |
| 02:37 | < [R]> | If you absolutely want simple. You have to drop features. |
| 02:38 | <&McMartin> | And you aren't allowed to, because email is a clusterfuck! |
| 02:38 | <&McMartin> | I think I got the Email Hates the Living talk from here |
| 02:38 | <&McMartin> | It was a true classic |
| 02:38 | <&ToxicFrog> | You did, I still need to watch it |
| 02:40 | <@celticminstrel> | I'm not sure how to interpret those graphs. |
| 02:40 | <~Vornicus> | celmin: the important one is the first one |
| 02:40 | <~Vornicus> | 100% is good. 0% is bad. |
| 02:40 | <@celticminstrel> | App server availability plummeting? |
| 02:42 | <~Vornicus> | yes. |
| 02:42 | <~Vornicus> | (the number is the mean over the past 24 hours) |
| 02:48 | <&ToxicFrog> | "Why did I rule out Courier again?" -> "because for some reason courier isn't available in any repo anywhere, only the courier-imap subset is" |
| 03:08 | <&ToxicFrog> | Exim actually looks quite nice in that it would let me get rid of my terrible ad-hoc bash script wiring that connects postfix and cyrus together via spamd |
| 03:08 | <&ToxicFrog> | But god, that configuration file |
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| 05:49 | | * McMartin pokes at his retro stuff |
| 05:49 | <&McMartin> | Somewhat bizarrely, Java remains the most convenient language for almost all my graphics demaking tools. |
| 05:51 | <&McMartin> | java.awt.image covers the basics of what I need and gets out of the way with remarkable alacrity. |
| 05:53 | <&McMartin> | ... also javax.imageio |
| 05:58 | <@froztbyte> | convenience handlers that aren't full of byte manipulation? |
| 05:58 | <&McMartin> | Indeed; a single call for "load this image into a form I can work with" and then int-based blitters |
| 05:59 | <&McMartin> | If you're messing around with alpha channels you do have to care about sign, but for graphics demaking, I don't, so I can mask it out and life is excellent |
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| 07:30 | <@froztbyte> | nabbad |
| 07:31 | <@froztbyte> | probably the only image code I ever actually did was some b&w bitmap reader thing, in C++, during first year |
| 07:31 | <@froztbyte> | I've done some shell loops and such with imagemagick since, but I'm pretty sure that doesn't count |
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| 09:16 | < catadroid`> | Today, I am implementing smart_ptr |
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| 09:48 | <@TheWatcher> | Today I am mostly going to wrangle GitLab API |
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| 14:10 | <@gnolam> | Nghghghngh |
| 14:10 | <@gnolam> | Is it really too much to ask to fucking /once/ get to use a standard widget instead of writing my own? |
| 14:19 | <@TheWatcher> | Yes, yes it is too much. |
| 14:41 | <@TheWatcher> | Just like it's apparently too much to ask for an API that does the same thing the web UI does... |
| 14:42 | < catadroid> | Application Programming Interference |
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| 14:45 | < catadroid> | Implementing standard library types is very calming |
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| 16:56 | <&jerith> | Reverse-engineering crappy code to write tests for things built on top of it is not very calming at all. :-/ |
| 17:55 | < catadroid`> | Hurray, I just removed an instance of 'delete this' |
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| 18:14 | <&jerith> | Is that a bad thing to have? |
| 18:15 | <&McMartin> | It almost guarantees that you have a live pointer to freed memory |
| 18:16 | <&McMartin> | In C++98 you had to do it sometimes anyway, but C++11's std::shared_ptr and std::unique_ptr mean this is no longer really true. |
| 18:16 | <@Tamber> | I figured it'd be more something that's commented as "Delete this!", that never got deleted. |
| 18:17 | <&McMartin> | she did mention she'd be hacking smart pointers, so I'm making some assumptions about her current task >_> |
| 18:17 | <@Tamber> | Ahh |
| 18:19 | < catadroid> | It's the global delete operator applied to a this pointer, yes |
| 18:19 | < catadroid> | It's also kind of dangerous to do because it's freeing memory from inside the logic that's using it... |
| 18:20 | < catadroid> | And, the place in removing it from is an implementation of shared_ptr |
| 18:20 | < catadroid> | I'm* |
| 18:20 | < catadroid> | And replacing it with type erasure |
| 18:20 | < catadroid> | Which is nice |
| 18:20 | < catadroid> | (the pointer knows it's type, the stub does not need to) |
| 18:21 | <&jerith> | What's type erasure? |
| 18:21 | < catadroid> | One sec I'll hop onto the desktop |
| 18:21 | <@froztbyte> | https://twitter.com/thedirtycoder/status/569339014085517312 |
| 18:21 | <@froztbyte> | rehash because session restore loaded a tab I still had open |
| 18:23 | <@gnolam> | Great. Now I have Erasure's "Always" stuck in my head again. |
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| 18:46 | <&ToxicFrog> | The only context I know type erasure in is the JVM, where it means "oh, you wanted runtime type information about your collections? well fuck you" |
| 18:49 | < catalyst> | http://paste.ofcode.org/zpaQKYuntwAnrfSUG9PUSc |
| 18:49 | < catalyst> | ^ some sort of explanation |
| 18:52 | < catalyst> | er |
| 18:53 | < catalyst> | the second template is probably unnecessary |
| 18:53 | < catalyst> | http://paste.ofcode.org/fVfcuy4LsdniJf4nGVNbMg might make more sense |
| 18:53 | | * catalyst is in manic coding mode again =/ |
| 18:53 | < catalyst> | (Also I've not compiled that at all, maybe it makes some sense though?) |
| 18:56 | < catalyst> | (And I've had virtually no sleep, further apologies) |
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| 19:11 | | * jerith huggacata. |
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