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| 02:42 | <@gnolam> | Azash: 52% accuracy... /without any optimization/. |
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| 03:05 | < [R]> | <Azash> https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/aylin/when-coding-style-survives-compilation- de-anonymizing-programmers-from-executable-binaries/ |
| 03:13 | <~Vornicus> | aha |
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| 05:27 | < Derakon_> | Quick update before bed: I have a simple platformer demo working in love2d with box2d physics (and without everything falling over, thank you very much). My implementation of McMartin's platformer.txt needs a little more work, and I need to add more documentation, but once I have I'll put it up online for others to look at. |
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| 05:51 | < [R]> | LADDER |
| 05:51 | < [R]> | (wrong window) |
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| 09:46 | < Wulfric> | What is a Sender Policy Framework, and how do I stop it from rejecting mails? |
| 09:48 | < Wulfric> | We have a domain name, but we use personal accounts with the sender field configured to use that domain, if we want to, because it's a pain to log into another account to send business mail. |
| 09:48 | < Wulfric> | It's worked fine so far. |
| 09:48 | < Wulfric> | Now my boss complains that we're getting bounces because "Refused mail because of Sender Policy Framework (SPF) failure policy". |
| 09:49 | < [R]> | You need to define what servers are allowed to send emails with your domain (you add a special TXT record to do this) |
| 09:50 | < [R]> | SPF is a standard, just google it for instructions |
| 09:51 | < Wulfric> | We mostly use gmail, but also some others. IS it possible to specify something to the effect of "just stop bouncing our mail, dammit"? |
| 09:54 | < [R]> | Yes. Setup a record (seriously, it's one single thing) that lists all the possible servers that are authorized to send mail for that domain. |
| 09:54 | < Wulfric> | How do I figure out all the possible servers? |
| 09:55 | < [R]> | ... |
| 09:56 | < Wulfric> | What? |
| 09:56 | < [R]> | It's a white-list system. Just start making the white-list and maintain it. |
| 09:57 | < Wulfric> | I don't know where to start. |
| 09:57 | < Wulfric> | Let me try to describe how we use this shit. |
| 09:58 | | * [R] isn't understanding how you're not understanding this. You send mail via SMTP servers. Find out what those servers are. List their IPs in the SPF record. |
| 10:00 | < Wulfric> | My boss has a yahoo.com email account. We have a domain name with some silly local company. That domain name is used by Office 365 for our official addresses. AFAIK, only my boss is in the situation where he continues to use the regular email account for this stuff, everyone else is told to just use Office 365. |
| 10:00 | < Wulfric> | Am I to do some wizardry to include yahoo.com as a valid sender or something? |
| 10:01 | < [R]> | You are seding emails as wulf@local.com through Yahoo!? |
| 10:02 | < Wulfric> | My boss is sending mail from his myboss@yahoo.com account as myboss@ourcompany.com, via associated accounts. |
| 10:03 | < Wulfric> | Google mail also has this feature. You associate accounts, then select which to send from when you send. |
| 10:03 | < [R]> | If yes: $ echo `dig +short smtp.yahoo.com | sed 1d` |
| 10:03 | < [R]> | 216.145.54.171 216.145.54.172 216.145.54.155 98.139.253.105 98.139.253.104 216.145.54.154 216.145.54.109 |
| 10:03 | < [R]> | ^ those are the IPs you add to the SPF record for local.com |
| 10:03 | | * [R] doesn't understand what you mean by "associate" here. |
| 10:04 | < [R]> | <Wulfric> My boss is sending mail from his myboss@yahoo.com account as myboss@ourcompany.com, via associated accounts. <-- which server is trying to send the email, and which email is on the "From" header? |
| 10:04 | < Wulfric> | [R]: You have a google mailbox? |
| 10:04 | < [R]> | I have a gmail account. |
| 10:05 | < Wulfric> | [R]: Settings -> Accounts and Import -> Send mail as. This is what I'm talking about. |
| 10:05 | < [R]> | Bear in mind: the /only/ important details right now are: 1) What domain is on the From header 2) What SMTP servers are trying to send the email. |
| 10:05 | < Wulfric> | I think the way it works is that you send nominally from myboss@ourcompany.com but "via myboss@yahoo.com". |
| 10:06 | < [R]> | If #1 is "local.com" and #2 is "Yahoo + Gmail SMTP servers" then the answer is to add the Yahoo SMTP and Google SMTP servers to the SPF record on local.com. |
| 10:06 | < Wulfric> | Right. |
| 10:07 | < Wulfric> | So I'll need to add that list of IPs you gave me. |
| 10:07 | < [R]> | If the answers are #1 "yahoo.com" and #2 "local SMTP" then don't do that. Use the Yahoo SMTP servers. |
| 10:08 | < [R]> | What you're doing is called spoofing. It's a common feature in spam, but a rarely legitimate thing to do. SPF exists /specifically/ to allow legitimate spoofing. |
| 10:09 | < Wulfric> | What's funnier, about two-thirds of the addressees of the message that triggered this problem got the mail. Or maybe it went to spam immediately? |
| 10:09 | < [R]> | It probably got sent to spam. |
| 10:10 | < [R]> | Configuring anti-spam to delete mails is not something users like. |
| 10:10 | < Wulfric> | So what you're telling me is that I need him to get me the raw email that he sent to investigate. |
| 10:11 | < Wulfric> | Actually, I think I have some earlier emails from him. |
| 10:12 | < [R]> | You need to know exactly what's in the From header and what server is doing the work, if that means you need the raw, then you need the raw. |
| 10:13 | < Wulfric> | Right, found one. |
| 10:13 | < Wulfric> | The From field lists his myboss@ourcompany.com address. |
| 10:15 | < [R]> | $ echo `dig +short smtp.gmail.com | sed 1d` |
| 10:15 | < [R]> | 173.194.193.109 173.194.193.108 |
| 10:15 | < [R]> | ^ those are Gmail's SMTP servers BTW |
| 10:17 | < Wulfric> | [R]: http://pastebin.com/n4qA3SHN |
| 10:17 | < Wulfric> | This is the problem, yes? |
| 10:17 | < [R]> | Bear in mind this'll mean that anyone with a gmail or yahoo-mail account can send email as your company and have it pass SPF. (I'm a little tired so that didn't dawn on me yet) |
| 10:18 | < [R]> | Do the two DNS queries I did, you'll probably be getting different IPs (forgot that geo-location DNS was a thing) |
| 10:18 | < [R]> | Either that or white-list as those errors come in until they stop coming in. |
| 10:19 | < Wulfric> | And my boss is in a completely different location from me. |
| 10:20 | < Wulfric> | So I guess trying that plus whitelisting as they come in is the solution. |
| 10:20 | < [R]> | The best option is to be sending those emails through the ourcompany.com server. |
| 10:21 | < Wulfric> | We have it, but don't use it, because another employee decided that Office 365 is superior and bought it without consulting with their IT guy (me). |
| 10:21 | < Wulfric> | We use Microsoft's magic there. |
| 10:21 | < Wulfric> | And my boss is new-account-phobic, so he wants to use his yahoo.com account for everything. |
| 10:23 | < Wulfric> | So I need to set up a new TXT record to the effect of "v=spf1 something -all"? |
| 10:23 | < Wulfric> | Or do I need to modify the existing one? |
| 10:23 | < Wulfric> | The existing one says: "v=spf1 include:spf.protection.outlook.com -all" |
| 10:23 | < [R]> | I've been up for a long while, specifics on SPF aren't something I am in a state to answer about. |
| 10:24 | < Wulfric> | Right. |
| 10:24 | < [R]> | I think the "-all" part means "anything not mentioned is to be rejected" |
| 10:28 | < [R]> | Yeah, -all means anything not listed is rejected. |
| 10:32 | < [R]> | Eitherway, you need to just add more whitelist rules before the -all to the existing SPF record. |
| 10:34 | < Wulfric> | Right. Thank you very much! |
| 10:34 | < Wulfric> | At least now I understand why I needed to whitelist my boss' mail in gmail, because they were being sent to spam or rejected entirely. |
| 10:34 | < Wulfric> | It seems the culprit was yahoo changing policy on what to do with spf-failing mail. |
| 10:35 | < Wulfric> | Or someone else along the route. |
| 10:35 | < Wulfric> | I used to get his mail as spam sometimes, but recently, several mails failed to get through entirely. |
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| 10:44 | < [R]> | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/12/29/avg_google_chrome_extension/ <-- funtimes |
| 10:46 | < Wulfric> | Sweet. New message from boss passes SPF from yahoo.com. |
| 10:48 | < [R]> | You can also send emails to: check-auth@verifier.port25.com |
| 10:48 | < [R]> | That'll reply with the results of an SPF check among other things. |
| 10:48 | < [R]> | Note: it took a few minutes to reply back to me |
| 10:54 | < [R]> | https://code.google.com/p/google-security-research/issues/detail?id=675 |
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| 19:27 | < [R]> | http://venturebeat.com/2015/12/30/debian-founder-and-docker-employee-ian-murdock -has-died-at-42/ |
| 19:36 | < Wulfric> | Requiescat in pace. |
| 19:48 | < catadroid> | Given the tweets from his account last night, that's disturbing |
| 19:49 | <@Alek> | wat |
| 19:51 | < catadroid> | He appeared to have been beaten by police and searched without warrant |
| 19:55 | <@Alek> | ... |
| 19:56 | < [R]> | What the fuck Twitter, why is his /entire/ account gone? |
| 19:56 | <@Alek> | it's been deleted. says so in the article. |
| 19:56 | <@Alek> | also says one tweet said he was gonna commit suicide. |
| 19:57 | < [R]> | I thought it was just the one tweet |
| 19:57 | < catadroid> | I saw the tweets last big |
| 19:57 | < [R]> | Not the entire account |
| 19:57 | < catadroid> | Night |
| 19:57 | < [R]> | https://web.archive.org/web/20151229122811/https:/twitter.com/imurdock |
| 19:58 | < catadroid> | Those ones |
| 19:58 | < [R]> | Eerie |
| 20:01 | <@Alek> | "@jacksormwriter wants me dead" |
| 20:01 | | * Alek eyes the archive. |
| 20:01 | <@Alek> | so much chinese. |
| 20:01 | <@Alek> | and apparently it's bing-translated from English. |
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| 21:08 | < Derakon[AFK]> | Okay, I have a working implementation of McM's platformer.txt, I think. |
| 21:08 | < Derakon[AFK]> | Now I need to make the code not suck~ |
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| 21:10 | < gnolam_> | [R]: :o |
| 21:10 | < [R]> | ? |
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| 21:15 | < gnolam_> | The Debian guy's apparent suicide. |
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| 21:21 | < [R]> | Aye |
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