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| 13:56 | | * gnolam rides the refactor terror tractor. |
| 13:56 | < catalyst> | :D |
| 13:58 | <@TheWatcher> | ... the refactor /terror/ tractor? |
| 13:58 | <@Tamber> | It's got all the murderificating attachments. |
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| 14:14 | <@gnolam> | It's like an ordinary refactor tractor, but supercharged. |
| 14:14 | <@gnolam> | (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yHl24QynOM#t=1m10s ) |
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| 20:30 | <&McMartin> | Hm. |
| 20:30 | <&McMartin> | http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/11/visual-studio-now-supports -debugging-linux-apps-code-editor-now-open-source/ |
| 20:30 | <&McMartin> | I had a relatively good experience with MSVS2012 from a "writing text" standpoint, though certain other aspects were backslides from 2008 when writing C++ |
| 20:30 | <&McMartin> | I wonder how well this will really work. |
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| 20:58 | | * McMartin eyes the boost::filesystem docs. |
| 20:58 | <&McMartin> | "On ISO/IEC 9945 permissions() resolves symlinks unless symlink_perms is specified. Meaningless on Windows as permissions() never resolves symlinks. Meaningless on Mac OS X and some other BSD systems as permissions() always resolves symlinks. Get over it." |
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| 21:15 | <@celticminstrel> | Windows shortcuts are more like symlinks than OSX aliases, right? |
| 21:15 | <&McMartin> | Hrm. |
| 21:15 | <&McMartin> | I'm inclined to say "no" |
| 21:15 | <&McMartin> | But I don't know what OSZ aliases are. |
| 21:15 | <&McMartin> | Generally, the closest thing to symlinks on Windows are NTFS junctions |
| 21:16 | <@celticminstrel> | Assuming a single filesystem (ie, no partitions or additional drives), OSX aliases continue to point to the same file no matter where it's moved. |
| 21:16 | <&McMartin> | IIRC Windows shortcuts are data files with a .lnk extension that Windows Explorer treats specially |
| 21:16 | <@celticminstrel> | But they're not a hard-link. |
| 21:16 | <&McMartin> | But fopen and, notably, CreateFileW do not respect .lnk files as if they were transparent. |
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| 21:29 | | * ToxicFrog upreads |
| 21:29 | <&ToxicFrog> | celticminstrel: Windows shortcuts are roughly eqv to .desktop files. They are files in their own right containing not just the destination path but a bunch of other information like icon and, for programs, execution environment and argv. |
| 21:30 | <&ToxicFrog> | celticminstrel, McMartin: the closest things to symlinks are symlinks, actually, although you need root to create them (wtf) |
| 21:30 | <&ToxicFrog> | Junction points are more like 'mount --bind' |
| 21:30 | <&ToxicFrog> | celticminstrel: how are aliases different from hardlinks? Because they sound identical. |
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| 21:34 | <@celticminstrel> | ToxicFrog: An alias is a separate file that takes up space on disk. |
| 21:35 | <@celticminstrel> | (Though, not much space.) |
| 21:35 | <@celticminstrel> | In that sense, it's like a symlink. |
| 21:35 | <@celticminstrel> | Except that it continues to work if the target file is moved (as long as it's within the same partition). |
| 21:36 | <&ToxicFrog> | How is it a separate file? There's APIs for interacting with the link rather than the file, like lstat() for symlinks? |
| 21:36 | <@celticminstrel> | Originally its data was stored in the resource fork. |
| 21:36 | <@Tamber> | Sort of a hybrid of a symlink and a hardlink? |
| 21:36 | <@celticminstrel> | It might be stored as extended attributes on newer versions of the OS. |
| 21:37 | <@celticminstrel> | I'm pretty sure it's nothing like a hardlink. |
| 21:37 | <@celticminstrel> | From the command-line it looks like an ordinary file (at least, on OSX 10.7). |
| 21:39 | <&ToxicFrog> | celticminstrel: so, uh |
| 21:39 | <@celticminstrel> | I don't think the command-line interface knows how to resolve it like a symlink. |
| 21:40 | <&ToxicFrog> | If you 'cat' it, do you get the contents of the file it points to? Or the contents of the link itself? |
| 21:40 | <&ToxicFrog> | If it's the latter, then it's more like a shortcut/.desktop file that references the target by inode number rather than by path |
| 21:40 | <@celticminstrel> | It's probably something like that. |
| 21:41 | <@celticminstrel> | I don't really know exactly how it works. |
| 21:41 | <@celticminstrel> | It appears to reference by path, but that might just be calculated on the fly or cached or something. |
| 21:42 | <&ToxicFrog> | Ok, so, in that case |
| 21:43 | <&ToxicFrog> | Windows shortcuts are like symlinks in that they ref the target by path, but like aliases in that they are opaque files with special APIs for manipulating them rather than actual links |
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