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| 15:39 | <@Syloq> | ooh, thats very very nice. |
| 15:40 | <@TheWatcher> | ? |
| 15:40 | <@Syloq> | letsencrypt |
| 15:41 | <@TheWatcher> | Oh, aye, that it is. |
| 15:41 | <@Syloq> | about time theres something out there useful, free, and supported by browsers. |
| 15:42 | <@Syloq> | and isn't the clusterfuck that is startcom |
| 15:45 | <@TheWatcher> | I haven't really looked at it muugh. Hopefully it'll do wildcards... |
| 15:46 | <@TheWatcher> | ... aaand, no, they don't |
| 15:49 | <@TheWatcher> | "Hopefully wildcards arenāt necessary for the vast majority of our potential subscribers because it should be easy to get and manage certificates for all subdomains"... which is only true if you can put subdomains on different IP addresses |
| 15:50 | <@Syloq> | well technically you can generate everything automatically..then all you need is a script to deploy |
| 15:50 | <@Syloq> | differen't ips shouldn't matter though. |
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| 15:51 | <@Tamber> | Then have 'a.example.com', 'b.example.com', etc. all on the same IP use different certs? |
| 15:51 | < Vorntastic> | Git: I wish to see the last time each file was committed. |
| 15:52 | <@Tamber> | While I believe it's possible to configure web-servers to choose SSL cert based on the requested host, the support for that on the browser side was nearly non-existant. |
| 15:52 | <@TheWatcher> | Tamber: bingo |
| 15:52 | <@Syloq> | hmmmm |
| 15:52 | <@Syloq> | its thats true...this whole thing is broken...lame |
| 15:53 | <@TheWatcher> | If you don't have the same cert (ie: a wildcard cert) on each subdomain, you're pretty much fucked. |
| 15:53 | <@Tamber> | TW: It's exactly the boat I'm in with certs; so, uh... thanks for spotting that, because I was just beginning to think that letsencrypt would be a useful change from CACert. |
| 15:53 | <@TheWatcher> | Unless you have each subdomain on a different IP |
| 15:53 | < [R]> | <Tamber> Then have 'a.example.com', 'b.example.com', etc. all on the same IP use different certs? <-- not all httpds and browsers support that |
| 15:53 | <@Tamber> | [R], exactly as I said. ;) |
| 15:53 | <@Syloq> | heh |
| 15:53 | <@TheWatcher> | [R]: and by "not all" you mean "most"~ |
| 15:54 | <@Syloq> | well I'm happy I could get valid certs installed on the servers here on Nightstar. Instead of the self-signed ones that are apain in the ass to setup. |
| 15:54 | <@TheWatcher> | Aye |
| 15:54 | <@Tamber> | It's better than the previous situation, definitely. |
| 15:54 | <@Syloq> | for sure. |
| 15:55 | <@Syloq> | I've always thought of certs as a scam anyway. Seems like a way to extort money out of people that doesn't actually provide any better security than writing your information on a piece of paper and only giving it to one person. |
| 15:56 | <@Tamber> | Well, there's the cost of verifying the provided information to be considered; but I highly suspect that most of the cost is the "Because we can, and fuck you" tax. |
| 15:56 | < [R]> | Certificate Authorities are supposed to provide one service: proof of legitimacy. |
| 15:57 | < [R]> | Otherwise, self-signed certs are fine. |
| 15:57 | <@Syloq> | Tamber; exactly. |
| 15:58 | <@Syloq> | well yeah, thats the idea...but in practice its a guy with a script saying "yup this'll work. *Approved*" |
| 15:58 | <@Tamber> | (Because who else can you go to other than another similarly-priced bastids, if you want to not have brightly-coloured screaming warnings every time someone hits your servers... :/ ) |
| 16:04 | < Vorntastic> | (Specifically I want: "foo.txt last committed on june 5, commit 2ef3c891 by bob; bar.txt last committed on august 3, commit 493e4f21 by joe..." |
| 16:04 | <@Syloq> | github does that for you |
| 16:04 | <@Syloq> | heh |
| 16:06 | < Vorntastic> | I know that, but this is a local repo. |
| 16:07 | < [R]> | man git-checkout |
| 16:12 | < Vorntastic> | That seems to collect a specific revision and make it the working copy. |
| 16:13 | < [R]> | Yes, and it can target specific files. |
| 16:15 | < [R]> | git checkout branch -- file |
| 16:16 | < Vorntastic> | I'm not seeing how this tells me what the last time each file was committed was. |
| 16:16 | < [R]> | ? |
| 16:16 | < [R]> | In your question, you stated the specific commits you wanted the files from. |
| 16:16 | < [R]> | I don't understand how time has anything to do with this. |
| 16:17 | < Vorntastic> | No, no |
| 16:17 | < Vorntastic> | I have a list of files. I want to know the last revision each was revised in. |
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| 16:18 | < [R]> | git blame? |
| 16:21 | < [R]> | for f in FILELIST; do git blame -- $f | head -1; done |
| 16:23 | < Vorntastic> | That looks like it might work. |
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| 16:33 | < Vorntastic> | Yes. Thank you! |
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| 17:23 | | * Derakon prods work, is going to talk at the channel for a bit. |
| 17:23 | <&Derakon> | So. |
| 17:23 | <&Derakon> | We have a customizable window, where you can drag and drop controls, kind of like those customizable toolbars in most document-creation programs (Word, etc.). |
| 17:24 | <&Derakon> | There's the actual window, then there's the "palette" where you can select which controls to add to the window. |
| 17:24 | <&Derakon> | The palette contains icons that look like the controls. |
| 17:24 | <&Derakon> | We do this by actually creating the controls off-screen, and rendering them to an image, which we use for the icon. |
| 17:25 | <&Derakon> | When the user drags an icon into the main section, then we have to re-create the controls properly, and add them to the window's layout. |
| 17:25 | <&Derakon> | Now. Some controls need to be configurable. |
| 17:25 | <&Derakon> | Like, if you have a button that's supposed to turn on one of a set of lasers when pressed, then when you drop the button into the window, a little dialog should pop up prompting you for which laser to use. |
| 17:26 | <&Derakon> | Additionally, when we start the program again in a new session, we want to restore the window's layout and configuration as it was the last time the program was run. |
| 17:26 | <&Derakon> | We have a class called a PropertyMap that's basically a key-value store, which we use for configuration elsewhere in the program. Sort of like a JSON dictionary but strongly-typed. |
| 17:27 | <&Derakon> | So I figure, the method that creates the control should take a PropertyMap describing how it should be configured (in our example, which laser it should toggle on). |
| 17:27 | <&Derakon> | But now our workflow looks a little screwy. |
| 17:28 | <&Derakon> | 1) Create "prototype" control, render it to image, use as icon. |
| 17:28 | <&Derakon> | 2) User drags icon into main window. |
| 17:28 | <&Derakon> | 3) Create configuration dialog, resulting in PropertyMap. |
| 17:28 | <&Derakon> | ...I guess while the dialog is up, we leave the iconized version of the control in place in the window, instead of trying to render the actual control. |
| 17:29 | <&Derakon> | 4) Feed PropertyMap to createControl method to create actual control, add actual control to window... |
| 17:29 | <&Derakon> | Yeah, okay, that works. |
| 17:29 | <&Derakon> | But it's gonna require reworking substantially how the current system works. Phooey. |
| 17:30 | <&Derakon> | Current system is non-configurable, and is basically drag icon into window -> create new control, done. |
| 17:31 | <&Derakon> | The intermediary step where we know what control to add but it hasn't been configured yet is kind of ugly for my existing program flow, especially since we need to be careful not to block the GUI thread. |
| 17:47 | | * jerith has a partial implementation of Human Resource Machine's assembler in RPython. |
| 17:48 | <&jerith> | (Yes, I'm writing a JIT-enabled interpreter for a tiny programming language from a game.) |
| 17:49 | | * jerith shall read Derakon's text shortly. |
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| 17:54 | <&jeroud> | Derakon: Can't you just keep the images on the filesystem or something? |
| 17:55 | <&Derakon> | Jer: no, because this is a pluggable system and controls may be generated procedurally. |
| 17:55 | <&Derakon> | I could demand that every plugin provide an image that is the icon of the controls, but then it's harder for people to implement really simple buttons and the like. |
| 17:55 | <&Derakon> | And we want that to be as easy as possible. |
| 17:57 | <&jeroud> | Ah, right. |
| 17:58 | <&jeroud> | Can you add a getImage() static method or something? |
| 17:59 | <&jeroud> | The default would be to do what you currently do, but things that need configuration could do something else. |
| 18:00 | <&Derakon> | Plugins are allowed to provide their own icons. |
| 18:00 | <&Derakon> | They aren't required to though. |
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| 21:57 | | * Tamber drinks, sobs softly. |
| 21:57 | <@Tamber> | Context! I have a piece of code to place a character at a given location in a VGA text display. This is defined as putchar(char, x, y) |
| 21:57 | <@Tamber> | Everywhere I have used it to put a character at a given X and Y, it has worked. |
| 21:58 | <@Tamber> | Except in the loop to 'clear' the screen by writing a space over all positions. |
| 21:58 | <@Tamber> | In this place, and only this place, I have to call it as putchar(char, y, x) |
| 21:58 | <&Derakon> | Guessing the parameters for your y and x loops are switched. |
| 21:58 | <@Tamber> | x counts up to width, y counts up to height. |
| 21:58 | <&Derakon> | Is width in fact the width, and height in fact the height? :) |
| 21:59 | <@Tamber> | Given that they're constants that everything else is also using, and also appear to be correct, I think so. |
| 21:59 | <@Tamber> | .. |
| 21:59 | | * Derakon shrugs. |
| 21:59 | <@Tamber> | Well, bugger me with a spoon. Apparently I need to cut back on the drink, because I just doublechecked... |
| 22:00 | <&Derakon> | Fire up the debugger and/or copious print statements. |
| 22:00 | <&Derakon> | Heh. |
| 22:00 | <@Tamber> | static const size_t term_height = 80; |
| 22:00 | <@Tamber> | static const size_t term_width = 25; |
| 22:00 | <&Derakon> | Hahaha. |
| 22:00 | <@Tamber> | Spot what's wrong |
| 22:00 | <&Derakon> | High-five. :) |
| 22:00 | <@Tamber> | Thank-you. :) |
| 22:00 | <&Derakon> | Never underestimate the incompetence of your past self. |
| 22:00 | <&Derakon> | They're the jerk whose code you're having to debug, after all. |
| 22:00 | <@Tamber> | Ayup. |
| 22:01 | <@Tamber> | Faith in consistency of the universe restored~ |
| 22:01 | <&McMartin> | "Ever want to go back in time and do battle with your past self? Software development is the career for you!" |
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| 22:01 | <@Tamber> | :D |
| 22:02 | <@Tamber> | This would have explained why I thought my array maths looked a little wonky but couldn't quite but my finger on it. |
| 22:03 | <@Tamber> | Since (y * width)+x didn't work; and (y * height)+x did. |
| 22:05 | <@Tamber> | (Also, Rubber Derakon Debugging ftw?) |
| 22:09 | <&Derakon> | ...is this some kind of reference to rubber-hose cryptanalysis or something? |
| 22:09 | <&Derakon> | Oh, rubber-duck debugging. |
| 22:09 | <&Derakon> | S'what the channel's here for, really. |
| 22:30 | < abudhabi> | When will man writers learn that the only part of the man page I'm interested in is the typical use example? |
| 22:46 | <@Alek> | what's rubber-duck debugging again? |
| 22:47 | <@Alek> | oh, sounding-board? |
| 22:47 | <@Tamber> | Yeah. |
| 22:48 | <@Tamber> | In the hope that something twigs and you realise what's wrong. |
| 22:48 | | * Alek nods, agrees. |
| 22:51 | <&McMartin> | also goldfishing |
| 23:04 | <@Alek> | ? |
| 23:04 | <@Alek> | no relation to catfishing, one hopes. :P |
| 23:06 | <&McMartin> | goldfishing, rubber-ducking, and sounding-boards are all the same thing |
| 23:09 | <@Alek> | ah. |
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| 23:16 | <&Derakon> | The original version I heard involved a teddy bear on a table outside the TA's room. |
| 23:16 | <&Derakon> | With a sign reading "tell it to the bear first". |
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