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| 09:41 | < catadroid> | why is it that no one seems to understand that you can build simple and clean C++ systems |
| 09:44 | <&McMartin> | I would offer two reasons, ahlf-snarkily, while also wanting to see your examples of excellence because you work in a rough field and probably have great stuff |
| 09:44 | <&McMartin> | But (a) because Java's idea of "clean" has corrupted all Simula-descended languges and |
| 09:45 | <&McMartin> | (b) C++ doesn't really go out of its way to make your life easier in this regard, augh >_< |
| 09:45 | <@TheWatcher> | catadroid: For the same reason that nobody seems to understand or believe that you can build simple and clean perl systems. The language is intrinsically tarnished by the myriad of programmers who don't |
| 09:47 | | * McMartin likes to rely on destructors for almost all his resource management in C++, and when possible to do so without throwing refcounted pointers everywhere either |
| 09:47 | <&McMartin> | C++11 makes that a *lot* saner, by some metrics, and a lot more horrible, by others |
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| 10:01 | < catadroid> | to be honest my question was rhetorical, I know why :< |
| 10:01 | | * TheWatcher patpats |
| 10:02 | < catadroid> | I've come across a customization mechanism witch manages to misuse templates /and/ macros in spectacularly awful fashion |
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| 11:50 | < catadroid> | argh |
| 11:50 | < catadroid> | This system is awful :( |
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| 13:40 | <@froztbyte> | TheWatcher: ehhhhhhhhhhh |
| 13:40 | <@froztbyte> | TheWatcher: I managed to write some "clean" perl recently |
| 13:40 | <@froztbyte> | TheWatcher: it took *way* longer than it should have |
| 13:40 | <@froztbyte> | I am borderline convinced that it's about as bad as php in how easy it makes it to write shit cod |
| 13:40 | <@froztbyte> | code* |
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| 13:41 | <@froztbyte> | (quotations because it's a bit sub-heavy, and it passes linter. not sure about styleguides or anything else.) |
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| --- Log closed Wed Sep 02 00:00:57 2015 |