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| 12:21 | < catadroid> | I am a wizard |
| 12:21 | < catadroid> | a reckless reckless wizard |
| 12:22 | < catadroid> | *(reinterpret_cast<void**>(thing)); |
| 12:22 | < catadroid> | is something I am now using |
| 12:23 | | * TheWatcher edges away |
| 12:23 | < catadroid> | :D |
| 12:23 | < catadroid> | don't come near me I'm quite pointed |
| 12:25 | <@TheWatcher> | I'm hoping this is for intereacting with opaque types in an API or something? |
| 12:26 | < catadroid> | yeah, types effectively built from external reflection since C++ lacks it naively |
| 12:26 | < catadroid> | natively* |
| 12:26 | | * TheWatcher nod |
| 12:26 | < catadroid> | I suppose naively works too |
| 12:27 | <@TheWatcher> | Okay, I can put the pitchfork and torch away then~ |
| 12:27 | < catadroid> | :) |
| 12:29 | <@TheWatcher> | (There's one codebase I've had to work with where the author seemed to thing that reinterpret_cast should be used wherever possible and that static_cast is for wimps. The resulting raeg was epic..) |
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| 12:52 | < catadroid> | ... |
| 12:52 | < catadroid> | reinterpret_cast is the devil and must only be used as a last resort |
| 12:54 | < Wizard> | catadroid: Please |
| 12:54 | < Wizard> | Also reinterpret_cast is best |
| 12:54 | < Wizard> | It's called job security |
| 12:58 | <@TheWatcher> | catadroid: yeah. After I'd gone through, refactoring and rewriting, there were no reinterpret_casts in there; not a single one was needed. |
| 13:02 | | * catadroid big thumbs up |
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| 13:29 | < catadroid> | mmm |
| 13:29 | | * catadroid calls ToxicFrog and returns some time hence |
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| 20:52 | <&McMartin> | I got to do some awesome reflectiony stuff but instead of abusing reinterpret_cast I abused templates. |
| 20:52 | <&McMartin> | I'm not sure that was the sane move, truth be told |
| 20:53 | <&McMartin> | There are certain kinds of polymorphism it disallows |
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| 20:58 | < catalyst> | templates just lack the power I really want in most cases |
| 20:58 | < catalyst> | they're pretty neat for some things though |
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| 21:02 | <&McMartin> | They're for replacing horrible preprocessor garbage, or reams of pregenerated code, here |
| 21:02 | <&McMartin> | Though there is still a ream or two of pregenerated code for the templates to serve as a friendly face to |
| 21:16 | < catalyst> | I mostly use templates to reduce generated code |
| 21:16 | < catalyst> | (as in, proper use of templates reduces the number of instructions for routines) |
| 21:19 | <&McMartin> | I find that result surprising. What's the before/after? |
| 21:19 | <&McMartin> | (Or perhaps we are accounting differently; I would think that the code replication inherent in template reinstantiation with various types would overwhelm the gain from dropping virtual method lookups) |
| 21:22 | < catalyst> | It mostly has to do with being able to inline code and overload things like search algorithms at compile-time |
| 21:22 | < catalyst> | you essentially end up calling different routines based on iterator tags and the like |
| 21:23 | | * McMartin nods |
| 21:23 | < catalyst> | basically I write soft real-time software which cares more about reducing the number of instructions per loop than the overall number of instructions |
| 21:23 | < catalyst> | (i.e. games :P) |
| 21:23 | <&McMartin> | Oh! |
| 21:23 | <&McMartin> | Yes, OK, that is where I was confused |
| 21:23 | < catalyst> | I figured so |
| 21:23 | < catalyst> | I worded it poorly |
| 21:23 | <&McMartin> | I was thinking instructions *emitted by the code generator*, not executed |
| 21:23 | <&McMartin> | Yes, that is all the sense, etc |
| 21:23 | < catalyst> | basically, I get to implement the standard library or a reasonable facsimile of it at work |
| 21:23 | < catalyst> | I feel like a wizard |
| 21:24 | <&McMartin> | (And yeah, I'm targeting mobile platforms with this stuff, so I have to worry a little about both, but honestly more the executed-instructions case at this point) |
| 21:24 | < catalyst> | aye |
| 21:24 | <&McMartin> | Woo, wizardry |
| 21:24 | < Wizard> | Woo |
| 21:24 | < catalyst> | it's surprisingly similar to coding for optimisation of power usage, I find |
| 21:24 | < catalyst> | haha :D |
| 21:26 | <&jerith> | It is all your fault. |
| 21:26 | <&jerith> | (That there are words in my IRC client for me to read.) |
| 21:29 | < catalyst> | Oh |
| 21:29 | < catalyst> | :P |
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