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| --- Log closed Fri Jun 26 00:19:06 2015 |
| --- Log opened Fri Jun 26 00:19:11 2015 |
| 00:19 | | TheWatcher [chris@Nightstar-ksqup0.co.uk] has joined #code |
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| 01:29 | <@simon> | I'm trying to come up with a neat but secure REST API |
| 01:29 | <@simon> | it's for a webshop, but a slightly different one than usual. |
| 01:29 | <@[R]> | Use API keys, log everything? |
| 01:30 | <@simon> | well, the trick is: I want people to be able to shop immediately (without logging in), and I want people to be able to check out without using a password, but rather, a pin. |
| 01:30 | <@simon> | the pin gets sent to them as they submit their order. but that means people can use this service to spam someone if they know their email address. |
| 01:31 | <@simon> | I guess it's not much worse than what you can already do elsewhere when you have someone's email address and you want to bug them? |
| 01:32 | <@[R]> | Validate payment before sending out the email. |
| 01:32 | <@simon> | we're not using an online payment provider yet. it's for a small members-only non-profit and our throughput does not justify the recurring cost of a credit card payment option. |
| 01:34 | <@[R]> | Only email once, add every subsequent order to the same PIN. |
| 01:34 | <@Reiv> | Is this worse than using a forum for email verification? |
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| 01:34 | <@simon> | Reiv, I guess not! so long as there's some threshold for how much you can bug a single email address. but even then, I'm not gonna check if several orders are sent to someone+foo@gmail.com, someone+bar@gmail.com, etc. |
| 01:35 | <@simon> | okay, I'm not bothered. |
| 01:35 | <@[R]> | Be aware that different providers use different subemail markers |
| 01:35 | <@Reiv> | yeah |
| 01:35 | <@[R]> | Some use +, others will use _ |
| 01:35 | <@simon> | yeah, I'm not going to bother with that. |
| 01:35 | <@[R]> | Most don't allow it at all |
| 01:36 | <@simon> | I'll just keep an eye on the log and see if abuse arises. |
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| 02:04 | <@Thalass|omgbed> | Does this shop accept dogecoin? |
| 02:04 | | * Thalass|omgbed flrr |
| 02:06 | <@simon> | Thalass|omgbed, it might accept Bitcoin since there are payment providers that convert to local currencies immediately. |
| 02:10 | <@Thalass|omgbed> | Booo. Doge über alles |
| 02:11 | <@simon> | hehe. |
| 02:11 | <@simon> | it's just that the Dogecoin payment providers haven't really come here yet... ;) |
| 02:16 | <@Thalass|omgbed> | heh |
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| 02:38 | <@Reiv> | bitcoin is terrible |
| 02:43 | < RchrdB> | Reiv, only for the environment |
| 02:43 | < RchrdB> | and as an investment |
| 02:43 | < RchrdB> | and as a currency⦠|
| 02:44 | < RchrdB> | It's a really exciting new way for virus writers to coopt stolen computers into wasting power to make themselves trivial amounts of money though, so yaaay. |
| 02:47 | <@Reiv> | nonsense |
| 02:47 | <@Reiv> | It's also awesome for running fraud schemes |
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| 04:08 | <&McMartin> | It does work for the ransomware workflow pretty well~ |
| 04:13 | <~Vornicus> | we did a website fora guy selling seats & hotel accommodations for the st. petersburg florida "bitcoin bowl" |
| 04:13 | <~Vornicus> | We had to send him to collections |
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| 04:25 | <@Reiv> | ransomware is pretty horrifying |
| 04:26 | <@Reiv> | But is easily written off at the level of "You caught a malicious virus that nuked your hard drive, v. sorry :(" |
| 04:26 | <@Reiv> | What strikes me is that I haven't seen such things, hm |
| 04:26 | <@Reiv> | You don't get, eg, worms doing it |
| 04:26 | <@Reiv> | I wonder why |
| 04:27 | <@[R]> | Worms aren't super common any more |
| 04:28 | <@[R]> | It's mostly drive-by shit |
| 04:28 | <@[R]> | Worms work better with more subtle malware, like a botnet anyways. Since you need the worm hosts to stay up to propagate. |
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| 04:33 | <@Reiv> | Ah, fair |
| 04:33 | <@Reiv> | What's drive-by, idly? |
| 04:33 | <@Reiv> | I'm outta the loop by almost a decade, so |
| 04:35 | <@celticminstrel> | This cleanup crash is getting annoying. |
| 04:36 | <@celticminstrel> | Looks like an assertion failure in GetContextRef called by alSourceStopv. |
| 04:36 | <@celticminstrel> | Which is called by SFML's Sound destructor. |
| 04:36 | <@Derakon> | Double free, maybe? |
| 04:36 | <@celticminstrel> | Which in turn is called by the C++ finalizer. |
| 04:36 | <@celticminstrel> | Maybe? I dunno. |
| 04:37 | <@celticminstrel> | I think double-free usually signals EXC_BAD_ACCESS though. |
| 04:37 | <@celticminstrel> | This is just SIGABRT. |
| 04:41 | <@celticminstrel> | ...hang on. I wonder if this could be about incompatible versions. |
| 04:44 | <@celticminstrel> | Nope, doesn't seem like that's it. |
| 04:46 | <@[R]> | Reiv: It's a where you get an executable/binary running on your computer by visiting a webpage. |
| 04:47 | <@[R]> | Which is why web browser vulnerabilities are serious bussiness ATM. |
| 05:01 | | Derakon is now known as Derakon[AFK] |
| 05:11 | <@Reiv> | Ah, yes |
| 05:11 | <@Reiv> | Which also means you can be partially protected by not, uh, visiting dodgy sites |
| 05:16 | <@[R]> | Also have adblock. And never visit a site that could be potentially hacked. |
| 05:17 | <@[R]> | (They often hack "legitimate" ad networks to distribute their malware) |
| 05:18 | <@[R]> | I say "legitimate" because web ads are fairly parasitic to begin with. |
| 05:26 | <@[R]> | "Henceforth, all project tracking charts are banned." |
| 05:26 | <@[R]> | Yes, that'll improve productivity! |
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| 07:32 | < VirusJTG> | fly home tomorrow |
| 07:32 | < VirusJTG> | w00h00 |
| 07:32 | < VirusJTG> | I can not wait to be in my own bed again |
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| 09:39 | | * abudhabi learns today that the new Office has a yearly fee, you can't just buy it once and use it. |
| 09:42 | <@abudhabi> | The client, a few weeks ago, demanded that I cancel their subscription. |
| 09:42 | <@abudhabi> | (To Office 365, or whatsit.) |
| 09:42 | <@abudhabi> | I did so. |
| 09:42 | <@abudhabi> | Now I'm getting a call for help because their Word demands they renew their subscription. |
| 09:44 | <@TheWatcher> | hahahah |
| 09:45 | <@TheWatcher> | Yep |
| 09:45 | <@abudhabi> | This is fairly balls, IMO. I was under the impression that the online thing was separate from the software. |
| 09:46 | <@abudhabi> | I see no reason, other than wringing money from users, to have a license like that. |
| 09:46 | <@TheWatcher> | Welcome to the brave new world of software rental |
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| 09:50 | <@abudhabi> | The client explicitly does not want to pay the subscription fee, which they see as excessive. But they want to continue using Word and stuff. They don't even use any of the online bits, just the application. |
| 09:53 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[d00m] |
| 09:53 | < GreenGuy> | They can buy office 2013 |
| 09:54 | < GreenGuy> | it'sstill pretty expensive though |
| 09:55 | <@abudhabi> | I'm offering to install free alternatives. |
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| 11:15 | <@gnolam> | VirusJTG: where are you now? |
| 11:19 | < VirusJTG> | Germany, Ulm |
| 11:19 | < VirusJTG> | We have an office here |
| 11:21 | <@abudhabi> | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSlGdnbIUw8 |
| 11:29 | <@gnolam> | Ah, birthplace of famous composer Johann Gambolputty de von Ausfern-schplenden-schlitter-crasscrenbon-fried-digger-dingel-dangel-dongel-dung el-burstein-von-knacker-thrasher-apple-banger-horowitz-ticolensic-grander-knotty -spelltinkle-grandlich-grumbelmeyer-spelterwasser-kurstlich-himbeleisen-bahnwage n-gutenabend-bitte-ein-nürnburger-bratwurstl-gerspurten-mitz-weimache-luber-hun dsfut-gumberaber-schönendanker-kalbsfleisch-mittler-aucher von |
| 11:29 | <@gnolam> | Hautkopf of Ulm! |
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| 12:10 | < VirusJTG> | snrrk, or you know. Einstine. |
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| 12:28 | <@abudhabi> | VirusJTG: Aynsteen! |
| 12:37 | < VirusJTG> | :) |
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| 13:18 | <@abudhabi> | cat /dev/zero > /dev/null |
| 13:21 | <@TheWatcher> | Doing that won't bother /dev/null, it'll think there's nothing to it. |
| 13:23 | <@abudhabi> | What does that even do? |
| 13:23 | <@abudhabi> | I saw it on a quote site, with someone apparently being stupid by complaining that it takes long. |
| 13:24 | <@TheWatcher> | It reads bytes from /dev/zero (which means that it reads zeros forever) and writes them to /dev/null (so they are discarded) |
| 13:24 | <@TheWatcher> | /dev/zero is your source for all the zeros you ever need. |
| 13:25 | <@abudhabi> | Right. |
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| 13:36 | <@TheWatcher> | https://twitter.com/ieure/status/614130731770617856 - hahaha |
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| 20:32 | <@froztbyte> | gnolam: that's a very dedicated amount of typing |
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