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| 00:27 | < simon_> | anyone into temporal logic / computational tree logic? |
| 00:28 | < simon_> | I'm trying to express something logical about an economic model |
| 00:28 | < simon_> | basically, I have this set of equations, a set of "exogenic/endogenic" variables |
| 00:30 | < simon_> | and through something I think is called "causal analysis", I can determine which order the model tries to predict the value of endogenic variables, which basically reduces to which order I determine them in equations, after which I can substitute variables and determine other endogenic variables by variable substitution. |
| 00:31 | < simon_> | e.g. if I have two equations with two endogenic variables (unknowns), I'll call them both "of the 0th order", but if I had had a third equation that depended on both of those endogenic variables and a third endogenic variable, it'd be of the 1st order. |
| 00:32 | < simon_> | then I might say "increasing variable X affects variable Y and Z simultaneously, which subsequently affects variable K" |
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| 00:33 | < simon_> | my TA writes "âX => âY and âZ => âK", for example |
| 00:33 | < simon_> | but I feel the temptation to use temporal operators, even though, strictly speaking, I don't really know if it's a function of time or simply of the model's predictability. |
| 00:34 | < simon_> | I don't suppose temporal logic needs to speak of time-like time, but could really just speak of state-transition-like time... |
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| 00:42 | < simon_> | what I had in mind was: A âX => (N âY and âZ) => (N âK) |
| 00:43 | < simon_> | ...or something like that. |
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| 01:08 | < simon_> | that should probably be A âX => (N âY) and (A âY => N âK) |
| 01:10 | < simon_> | err... for the case above, that'd be A âX => (N âY and âZ) and (A âY and âZ => N âK). never mind, just looking for excuses to do temporal logic. :) |
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| 08:34 | < AnnoDomini> | Is there any way to have an arbitrary element to occur after every table row in HTML? |
| 08:35 | < AnnoDomini> | What I want could be achieved with <tr><td colspan="X"></td></tr> but that breaks things (alternating colors, table searching). |
| 08:35 | < AnnoDomini> | I would like something like a "td-footer". |
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| 09:43 | <@TheWatcher> | AnnoDomini: look into the <thead>, <tbody>, and <tfoot> elements: http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/tabular-data.html#the-tbody-element |
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| 09:48 | <@TheWatcher> | (also, for the record, I would like to find whoever it was that suggested that tag omission was ever a good idea and demonstrate what happens when you bludgeon someone without end |
| 09:48 | <@TheWatcher> | ) |
| 09:49 | < AnnoDomini> | tfoot isn't what I need, I think. I want to basically add a row under each row without that counting as a separate row, but part of the previous row. |
| 09:50 | <@TheWatcher> | Oh |
| 09:50 | <@TheWatcher> | Uh, yeah, can't suggest anything then, at least not until I've had more tea |
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| 12:42 | < Tarinaky_> | https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/elite-pcs/the-pi-z0ne/ |
| 12:42 | < Tarinaky_> | Someone should ask him to Square the Circle as a stretch goal, lol |
| 12:51 | <@gnolam> | <X-G> Reminds me of that getacoder.com post where "AlanT" wanted a program that could determine if another program terminates or not. |
| 12:53 | | * TheWatcher eyes that project, facepalms. |
| 12:53 | <@TheWatcher> | Actually, no, that probably deserves a Picard-Riker Double-Facepalm. |
| 12:54 | < RchrdB> | Filing a kickstarter campaign is apparently less difficult than reading the wikipedia page about pi now. |
| 12:58 | <@TheWatcher> | And really, as far as mathematics pages on Wikipedia go, the page for Pi is pretty damned simple. |
| 13:07 | | * AnnoDomini is inserting a million records into the test database, just to check what happens. |
| 13:09 | | Thalassleeeeeep is now known as Thalass |
| 13:10 | <@TheWatcher> | One Meeellion Records *Dr Evil pinky*? |
| 13:13 | < RchrdB> | AnnoDomini: aiui, performance testing theory says don't do that - you want to do load tests with a) as much load as you anticipate the system ever receiving or, b) keep increasing it until it breaks. :) |
| 13:15 | < AnnoDomini> | This system will never have a million widgets. Hundreds, yes. Thousands, probably, eventually. Tens of thousands, maybe. |
| 13:16 | < AnnoDomini> | This thing will get decommissioned and replaced by something newer by the time it might have a million records. |
| 13:18 | < RchrdB> | "as much as you anticipate it ever receiving" is an acceptance test, "increase until it breaks" is a stress test |
| 13:19 | < RchrdB> | "one meeeeeeleeeeeeon records *Dr Evil pinky*" is just fun. :) |
| 13:20 | < AnnoDomini> | I want to know if it will run properly fast. There might be insufficient indices. |
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| 14:20 | < AnnoDomini> | Almost done inserting... |
| 14:30 | < RchrdB> | If you have a target for write speed too, then tming inserting 1e6 rows could also tell you if you have *too many* indexes. :) |
| 14:32 | < RchrdB> | *timing |
| 14:33 | <@iospace> | oh son of a bitch |
| 14:33 | < RchrdB> | Yes? |
| 14:33 | <@iospace> | The wrong script got implemented yesterday >_< |
| 14:33 | < RchrdB> | iospace: present, can I help you/ |
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| 15:01 | <@gnolam> | It works! I can't believe it! And they said imitation spectrophotometers weren't good enough... |
| 15:18 | <@gnolam> | Hmm. Everything is a bit blue though. |
| 15:20 | <@gnolam> | ... but I'm getting the same blueness in other programs, so it's probably not my fault. |
| 15:21 | | * gnolam puts it down to the age and condition of the instrument, moves on. |
| 15:29 | <@TheWatcher> | Maybe the instrument just needs cheering up? |
| 15:30 | <@gnolam> | ... boo |
| 15:30 | <@gnolam> | Here I was thinking it was because the samples were coming at me at relativistic speeds. |
| 15:30 | <@TheWatcher> | That sounds a bit shifty to me. |
| 15:31 | <@gnolam> | Probably the work of my evil dopplerganger. |
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| 19:51 | < RchrdB> | Golfing code to make it fit in a tweet is so exceedingly bad for the soul. |
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| 20:23 | < simon_> | hehe |
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| 23:13 | | * TheWatcher applies duct tape to Derakon |
| 23:17 | <@TheWatcher> | Also, ffff. I had to go and /not/ document this very specific, complicated bit |
| 23:20 | <&McMartin> | You should always comment such sections with /* HA HA HA */ |
| 23:20 | <@TheWatcher> | // Figure this out, future self, you fucker. |
| 23:20 | < JBeshir> | My favourite comment I ran into, in production code, was simply this: |
| 23:20 | < JBeshir> | // The code used to be here |
| 23:21 | < JBeshir> | I asked the only possible person who could have put it there what it meant. |
| 23:21 | < JBeshir> | They didn't remember. |
| 23:21 | < [R]> | JBeshir: such as function doAllTheWork() { /* The code used to be here */ } |
| 23:21 | < JBeshir> | It was in the middle of a 200 line function doing about 20 things. |
| 23:21 | < JBeshir> | (I think that function is dead now) |
| 23:21 | < JBeshir> | (If not, it's at least a lot less big) |
| 23:33 | | Kindamoody is now known as Kindamoody[zZz] |
| 23:43 | | orth [orthianz@Nightstar-6rq.n2t.148.118.IP] has joined #code |
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