| --- Log opened Fri Jan 23 00:00:10 2015 |
| 00:01 | <@Shiz> | or p00p |
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| 05:01 | <@celticminstrel> | I think I'm finding myself wanting for...else. |
| 05:01 | <@celticminstrel> | (In C++) |
| 05:13 | <&McMartin> | You can fake it with an extra boolean variable |
| 05:13 | <&McMartin> | (set it before any call to break, execute the "else" clause if it's not set) |
| 05:14 | <@celticminstrel> | Currently it's being faked by leaving the loop variable external to the loop scope and checking if it's equal to the upper bound... I don't really want the loop variable external to the loop scope, but it was already like that and I haven't gotten around to changing it. |
| 05:15 | <@celticminstrel> | I've probably done it with the boolean variable somewhere too, though. |
| 05:15 | <&McMartin> | You can of course create new scopes whenever you want |
| 05:15 | <&McMartin> | It's just ugly |
| 05:15 | <@celticminstrel> | I actually do that too. |
| 05:15 | <&McMartin> | You can {} with no other excuse though |
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| 05:16 | <@celticminstrel> | Yeah, I'm aware of that. |
| 05:16 | <@celticminstrel> | I can't remember why I did it in a few places. |
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| 08:15 | < Julius> | WTF. |
| 08:15 | < Julius> | "Grey" is a darker shade than "DarkGrey"? |
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| 10:08 | | * TheWatcher pokes at MELPA |
| 10:09 | | * TheWatcher blinks, installs a bunch of packages, watches emacs crackle with increased power |
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| 12:48 | | * TheWatcher stabs library writers who can't document their fucking API properly |
| 12:56 | | * Tarinaky retaliates with perfect documentation written in <language you don't speak> |
| 12:56 | <@Tarinaky> | Dutch |
| 12:57 | < Julius> | You can write Dutch? |
| 12:58 | <@Tarinaky> | No. |
| 12:59 | <@Tarinaky> | I can barely manage to write English on a good day. |
| 13:00 | <@TheWatcher> | A language I don't speak is at least a problem I can address |
| 13:01 | <@TheWatcher> | As long as the documentation is complete and accurate? It can be worked with. |
| 13:02 | <@TheWatcher> | it isn't likely to require me to trawl through thousands of lines of sourcecode to work out what the fuck something is doing. |
| 13:29 | <@Shiz> | I can write Dutch |
| 13:29 | <@Shiz> | what's up |
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| 13:58 | <@Tarinaky> | Shiz: Write an API document incomprehensible to a native English speaker while being perfectly clear and correct Dutch. |
| 13:58 | <@Tarinaky> | Shiz: Then shout it at TheWatcher. |
| 13:58 | <@Shiz> | (Y) |
| 13:58 | <@Shiz> | first, I'm going to scrape steam API headers for my C steamworks wrapper |
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| 15:21 | <@iospace> | well |
| 15:21 | <@iospace> | they did it |
| 15:22 | <@iospace> | they used a goto the wrong way |
| 15:52 | <@thalass> | ... |
| 15:52 | <@thalass> | Even I'm not that incompetent. >.> |
| 15:56 | <@Tarinaky> | 'they'? |
| 15:56 | <@Tarinaky> | And the wrong way presumably being multiple entry into a function? |
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| 19:35 | <&McMartin> | There are ABIs that totally allow that >_> |
| 19:47 | <@celticminstrel> | ? |
| 19:57 | <&McMartin> | Multiple entry into a function |
| 21:43 | | * McMartin also gets Rust working on his IRC machine, whose binary install was breaking for dumb reasons. |
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| 22:40 | <&McMartin> | Mmm |
| 22:40 | <&McMartin> | I'm normally a fan of ML-style algebraic datatypes. |
| 22:40 | <&McMartin> | But I admit it is unfortunate that Objective-C's "struct FSRef {Uint8 hidden[80]; };" becomes this in Swift: |
| 22:40 | <&McMartin> | struct FSRef { var hidden: (UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt |
| 22:40 | <&McMartin> | 8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8, UInt8) } |
| 22:41 | <&ToxicFrog> | |
| 22:41 | | * McMartin notes that Rust is not reduced to this =P |
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| 22:42 | <&ToxicFrog> | Memo to self: if someone asks if they can ask "a quick question" at 1730 on friday, say no. |
| 22:43 | <&ToxicFrog> | It's never quick. |
| 22:43 | <&McMartin> | s/at 1730 on friday/ |
| 22:43 | <&McMartin> | Though if it's the morning you'll have time for it |
| 22:43 | <&ToxicFrog> | It's always something like "hey, would it be possible to implement <thing that completely violates one of the most fundamental invariants of our software>" |
| 22:44 | <&McMartin> | "We need it in like four hours" |
| 22:47 | <&jerith> | 4pm ticket for a brand new deployment with no server requested because QA tomorrow morning. |
| 22:47 | <&jerith> | Fortunately that wasn't on my plate. |
| 22:50 | <&McMartin> | (The Rust for this would be "struct Fsref { hidden: [u8; 80] }") |
| 22:50 | <&ToxicFrog> | Yeah, answering these questions is, to some extent, my job. But it seems like anything described as "a quick question" never is. |
| 22:54 | <&McMartin> | It's kind of funny. Pascal had size-of-array-as-part-of-the-type silliness in it and this was one of the standard reasons cited for the langauge being unusable bullshit |
| 22:54 | <&McMartin> | In this modern era where we also have (a) type inference, (b) slice types, and (c) 53 different ways of doing generics, suddenly they are once again the new hotness |
| 22:54 | <&McMartin> | If C had had slice types instead of just saying "we can just use a single pointer to the first element instead!" the world would look very different now |
| 22:54 | <@Tamber> | What's old is new again. *shrug* |
| 22:54 | <&McMartin> | Well |
| 22:54 | <&McMartin> | More "we were in fact missing important parts of this" |
| 22:55 | <&McMartin> | We didn't have even remotely usable type inference anywhere until the late 1970s, and we didn't get it *right* until the late 1980s/early 1990s, IIRC. |
| 22:58 | <&McMartin> | I first formally encountered slice types as a language construct in Go, but IIRC it swiped them from somewhere else (and they aren't quite the same thing as Python slices) |
| 22:58 | <&McMartin> | A lot of string implementations did stuff like that under the hood, I suppose |
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| --- Log closed Sat Jan 24 00:00:26 2015 |