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| 00:14 | <@Alek> | At least it's not Obfuscated C, right? .... right? |
| 00:16 | <&McMartin> | celticminstrel: Correct |
| 00:16 | <&McMartin> | Alek: Not *on purpose* |
| 00:16 | <&McMartin> | It's just endless recursive fucktons of template instantiation |
| 00:19 | <@Alek> | :P |
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| 15:51 | | * abudhabi does what he does most: reinstalling Windows. |
| 15:51 | < abudhabi> | This time, I've got a pretty weird bug. Win7 won't boot on its own; the BIOS won't recognize that there's a Windows there. |
| 15:52 | < abudhabi> | But if I have a bootable USB plugged in and let it simply wait until it continues with booting, it'll boot the installed Windows normally. |
| 15:53 | < abudhabi> | I've had this problem before. I solved it by installing Linux on a tiny partition and using its loader do the loading of Windows. |
| 15:53 | < abudhabi> | Is there a way to install just GRUB without the *nix? |
| 15:55 | < Syka> | abudhabi: you can rebuild the windows bootloader |
| 15:55 | < Syka> | abudhabi: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/32523/how-to-manually-repair-windows-7-boot-loade r-problems/ < this looks right |
| 15:56 | < abudhabi> | I shall try. |
| 15:56 | < Syka> | abudhabi: you can do it with a windows bootdisk or inside windows i think |
| 16:00 | < abudhabi> | This did not help. |
| 16:00 | < Syka> | hmm |
| 16:00 | < abudhabi> | /ScanOs reports 0 identified systems. |
| 16:01 | < abudhabi> | In fact, this broke booting at all. |
| 16:02 | < Syka> | huh. something really wacky is going on there, if windows can't find itself |
| 16:04 | | * abudhabi fixes it by restarting. |
| 16:04 | | * abudhabi seeks out how to install GRUB. |
| 16:06 | < Syka> | abudhabi: theres a grub cd somewhere |
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| 16:25 | < abudhabi> | Argh. My program for making bootable USBs won't accept GRUB's ISOs. |
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| 16:43 | < abudhabi> | Hrm. |
| 16:44 | < abudhabi> | I think the problem is that there are two disks on this bastard. |
| 16:44 | < abudhabi> | One is a small SSD. |
| 16:44 | < abudhabi> | The other is a large HDD. |
| 16:44 | < abudhabi> | Win7 is installed on the HDD, because it won't really fit on the SSD. |
| 16:45 | < abudhabi> | But system boot information is for some reason stored on a partition of the SSD, which doesn't show up during boot. |
| 17:02 | <@Tamber> | And this is why I disconnect all the discs other than the one I want to install on, when I'm installing windows; or weird things happen. :/ |
| 17:04 | < abudhabi> | This is a laptop. And a freshly serviced one. I don't really want to mess around in its innards to find the damn thing. |
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| 17:29 | < abudhabi> | FFS. I seem to have broken my installation by installing Linux to try to make it bootable. |
| 17:31 | < abudhabi> | The data is still there, so far as I can see. |
| 17:31 | < abudhabi> | I haven't messed with the other disk. |
| 17:31 | < abudhabi> | But now it won't boot at all. |
| 17:31 | < abudhabi> | The Win7 media won't recognize it is there. |
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| 18:33 | < abudhabi> | I hate reinstalling Windows. |
| 18:34 | < abudhabi> | When it isn't mind-numbingly repetitive and boring, it's mind-bendingly frustrating. |
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| 19:15 | < abudhabi> | Partial success: Installing ubuntu allows it to boot without help. |
| 19:15 | < abudhabi> | Now the problem becomes how the hell to make it recognize that on that other partition sits a Windows. |
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| 19:45 | < abudhabi> | Can anyone tell me what's wrong here? |
| 19:45 | < abudhabi> | http://paste.ubuntu.com/9769234/ |
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| 20:46 | < abudhabi> | I hate computers. |
| 20:46 | < abudhabi> | I really do. |
| 21:07 | | * abudhabi will try this fucking thing one more time. |
| 21:07 | < abudhabi> | First, installing Win7 from USB, deleting everything. |
| 21:08 | < abudhabi> | If that fails to properly boot without help, then I'm installing ubuntu on the other partition. |
| 21:09 | < abudhabi> | If THAT fails, I'll just bloody well buy a cheapo tiny USB stick with Win7 on it and stick it in one of the ports labelled "don't remove" so the damned thing boots properly. |
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| 21:42 | < abudhabi> | Ugh. |
| 21:42 | < abudhabi> | Looks like the cheap USB stub solution is now the favored one. |
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| 21:43 | <@celticminstrel> | Sounds like a bad plan. :P |
| 21:44 | < abudhabi> | Well, if I could get some help understanding what the bloody problem is, it might not be necessary. |
| 21:44 | < abudhabi> | But as it is, I don't understand why this bullshit fails this way. |
| 21:44 | < abudhabi> | I don't know how to fix it. |
| 21:44 | <@celticminstrel> | I'd love to, but I have no idea what you're doing and probably wouldn't know how to fix it either. |
| 21:46 | < abudhabi> | I'm trying to install Win7 on this laptop again, because the repairmen HELPFULLY restored it to Win8 under servicing, despite the system there WORKING FINE (there was a hardware failure of some sort with the battery or some shit; it would lose power randomly). |
| 21:47 | < abudhabi> | This laptop was intended for Win8, for God knows what retarded reason, and runs UEFI by default. |
| 21:47 | <@Tamber> | Ah, don't you just love a culture of "...maybe restoring default settings fixes it? Maybe?"~ |
| 21:47 | <@Tamber> | (Also, probably because that's the current version of Windows; last I was aware? :p) |
| 21:48 | < abudhabi> | It also appears to have some sort of hybrid SDD/HDD drive that Win7 completely fails to understand. |
| 21:48 | < abudhabi> | It installs fine. But it doesn't boot, because the provided UEFI bootloader doesn't see the SSD, and refuses to boot the HDD. |
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| 21:49 | < abudhabi> | Except if you plug the installation media at startup, wait for it to continue booting something else, et voila! |
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| 21:49 | < abudhabi> | Then it works just fine. |
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| 21:50 | < abudhabi> | On a similar laptop, I solved this problem by installing ubuntu on the SSD. Through some combination of magic, it was able to detect the Windows installation, and I was able to set it to, by default, boot Windows. |
| 21:50 | < abudhabi> | Now it doesn't fly. |
| 21:51 | < abudhabi> | I suspect this is because ubuntu is EFI and Windows is BIOS here, but I don't understand why that is such a problem - I have the boot config set to compatibiliy UEFI/CMOS mode! |
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| 21:59 | | * abudhabi hates UEFI forever. |
| 22:02 | <@Tamber> | I reckon, another 5 or so years, and it'll be nearly ready for the desktop~ |
| 22:02 | <&McMartin> | ...on its own, with no supporting OS |
| 22:02 | <@Tamber> | :) |
| 22:04 | <@Tamber> | I'm not quite sure when I'll actually get around to using the EFI side of my motherboard properly, rather than bios compat., as it'll probably involve reinstalling Winderps and a little tweaking of my linux install. |
| 22:18 | < abudhabi> | I've changed boot to pure CSM. |
| 22:18 | < abudhabi> | Reinstalled ubuntu. |
| 22:18 | <&McMartin> | You're now beyond my ken |
| 22:18 | < abudhabi> | This time, boot-repair went off without a hitch... |
| 22:19 | < abudhabi> | ...except it still doesn't bloody seem to notice that there's a Windows installation where it schizophrenically detects it. |
| 22:19 | <@Tamber> | McM: CSM being, presumably, compatibility mode. (i.e. pretending there's only a traditional BIOS there.) |
| 22:19 | | * McMartin nods |
| 22:22 | <&McMartin> | Speaking of installing stuff, I've got a Fedora system that should take an update. |
| 22:22 | < abudhabi> | I've spent like 11 hours on this and I'm no closer to a solution than 9 hours ago. |
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| 22:54 | <&ToxicFrog> | :ominous chord: |
| 22:55 | <&ToxicFrog> | We just upgraded Quetzalcoatl and now both the Ashleys are downstairs playing Hack & Slash. |
| 22:56 | <~Vornicus> | ATTACK OF THE ASHLEYS |
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| 23:07 | <@Azash> | https://plus.google.com/+LennartPoetteringTheOneAndOnly/posts/SkKuBF1XaNF |
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