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| 13:07 | | * TheWatcher blinks at javascript |
| 13:07 | <@TheWatcher> | I can distinctly see the 1000 in that setTimeout, so why is it firing instantly?! |
| 13:09 | | * TheWatcher ups it to 30 seconds, just to be sure |
| 13:09 | <@TheWatcher> | .. nope, still listant |
| 13:09 | <@TheWatcher> | Javascript hairs my hair |
| 13:10 | <@TheWatcher> | *hates |
| 13:10 | <@TheWatcher> | gah |
| 13:11 | < Julius> | Does your hair have hair? |
| 13:11 | <@Tamber> | His javascript has hair on its hair. |
| 13:11 | <@TheWatcher> | It's hair raising, anyway |
| 13:13 | < Julius> | Hmm. Java. Are there any precision loss problems when converting Doubles to Longs? The numbers I mean aren't supposed to have decimals. |
| 13:17 | <&McMartin> | Java doubles are IEEE 754 - as long as the result is exact in the Double and would fit in a long (which is a signed 64 bit integer) you are fine. |
| 13:18 | <&McMartin> | However, you only have 50-odd bits of mantissa, so there are numbers that can be converted to long that will have been "rounded" in the low digits. |
| 13:25 | < Julius> | Right. I'd probably want to avoid a potential future problem with those. |
| 13:26 | < Julius> | What's the proper way of parsing a string such as "100.0" to Long without going by way of Double? |
| 13:28 | <@froztbyte> | TheWatcher: try 100000 |
| 13:29 | <&McMartin> | Julius: Well, first things first. does Long.valueOf() not work there? |
| 13:29 | <@TheWatcher> | It'll throw NumberformatException |
| 13:29 | <&McMartin> | If not, I'd hunt for the decimal point, confirm everything after it is 0, and then substring it. |
| 13:29 | < Julius> | I've been using parseLong, which doesn't. |
| 13:34 | <@TheWatcher> | You could use NumberFormat to parse to a Number, and then use intValue() |
| 13:34 | < Julius> | But won't that return an int, not a long? |
| 13:35 | <&McMartin> | Well, OK, then use longValue()~ |
| 13:35 | <@TheWatcher> | Um, yeah, that. Sorry, brain is in the middle of ajax tomfoolery |
| 13:39 | < Julius> | Cool, thanks. This works. |
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| 13:54 | | * Tarinaky complains, generally, of the difficulties of people emailing you bits of .c code that don't have half the #defines or typedefs they're supposed to have. |
| 13:55 | <@TheWatcher> | Reply with half the gcc errors they need to work out what's broken~ |
| 13:55 | < Julius> | Sounds like the problem exists between the chair and the keyboard. |
| 13:55 | <@Tarinaky> | I need to figure out who's chair and whose keyboard first. |
| 13:55 | <@Tarinaky> | Before I get snarky. |
| 13:56 | < Julius> | Reply with a request for the missing content? |
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| 14:56 | <@Tarinaky> | Can anyone tell me what stdafx stands for? |
| 14:57 | <@TheWatcher> | AFX = Application Framework eXtensions, the original abbreviation for MFC |
| 14:57 | <@Tarinaky> | What is its purpose? |
| 14:57 | <@Tarinaky> | In 'modern' VS projects |
| 15:01 | <@TheWatcher> | http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/789703/StdAfx-h-for-Novices - it's a precompiled header, basically. Speeds up compiling if you have a lot of includes that change very little |
| 15:08 | <@iospace> | guys, I have found it, a testiment to all our database query sins (so far!) |
| 15:08 | <@iospace> | a 210 line select statment |
| 15:09 | <@Tamber> | *wince* |
| 15:09 | <@iospace> | and yes, there are interior selects |
| 15:11 | <@TheWatcher> | ... wtf |
| 15:12 | <@iospace> | the inside select? 116 lines |
| 15:12 | <@TheWatcher> | What in Yog-Sothoth's name is it doing?! |
| 15:12 | <@iospace> | things |
| 15:15 | <@iospace> | (no really, I can't go into details beyond "things", sorry ^^;;) |
| 15:15 | <@Tarinaky> | Openning one of its many maws and burrowing deep through the fabric that seperates tables. |
| 15:15 | <@Tarinaky> | Selecting that dark ephemera that exists in the space between. |
| 15:15 | <@iospace> | TheWatcher: let's make this more wtfux worthy: this is Oracle SQL |
| 15:16 | <@Tarinaky> | And bringing forth the spawnlings of the black goat across your harddisk |
| 15:16 | <@Tarinaky> | Before singing the select query that will end your session. |
| 15:18 | <@TheWatcher> | HE COMES |
| 15:18 | <@iospace> | I love you guys :3 |
| 15:21 | <&McMartin> | We may not be able to help, but we give good chant |
| 15:21 | <@iospace> | indeed |
| 15:22 | <@Tarinaky> | Does anyone have advice for how to fit programming as a hobby around working full time and having a girlfriend? |
| 15:22 | <@Tarinaky> | I'm finding it kinda difficult. |
| 15:22 | <@Tarinaky> | Particularly finding the time to debug and fix issues. |
| 15:22 | <@iospace> | teach her how to code! |
| 15:23 | <&McMartin> | Some days are just polish days |
| 15:23 | <@Tarinaky> | She already knows how. |
| 15:23 | <@iospace> | then work on code with her? :3 |
| 15:23 | <@Tarinaky> | Polish days? |
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| 15:24 | <&McMartin> | Days in which your hobby work will only be bugfixing and cleanup, not making new stuff |
| 15:24 | <@Tarinaky> | Except the bugs are hard. |
| 15:24 | | * iospace waves at Lambo |
| 15:24 | < Lambo> | Help Help! I've been kidnapped by an iospace! |
| 15:25 | <@iospace> | JOIN US |
| 15:25 | | * Tarinaky shrugs. |
| 15:25 | <&McMartin> | Did she collapse your wave function with that wave? |
| 15:25 | <@Tarinaky> | iospace: Is this your gender-non-specified missus? |
| 15:25 | <@iospace> | I collapsed all the things :< |
| 15:25 | <@iospace> | what? |
| 15:25 | <@iospace> | ._. |
| 15:25 | <@iospace> | Tarinaky: i'm single atm |
| 15:25 | <@Tarinaky> | Oh. |
| 15:25 | < Lambo> | McMartin, it became a killer sawtooth wave that I distorted into an Acid Line |
| 15:25 | <@Tarinaky> | Well I was applying context. |
| 15:26 | < Lambo> | I'm just a fellow programmer who deals with horrific legacy code (VBA in Access 2002) |
| 15:26 | <@iospace> | Tarinaky: no... I wasn't the one complaining about girlfriends... |
| 15:26 | <@iospace> | that was you |
| 15:26 | <@Tarinaky> | Touche. |
| 15:27 | <@Tarinaky> | Do you /want/ me to bring my gf here? |
| 15:27 | <@iospace> | up to you |
| 15:27 | <&McMartin> | Lambo: Well, hello, as it were |
| 15:27 | < Lambo> | iospace seems to have stolen a Xon |
| 15:27 | < Lambo> | Hi! |
| 15:28 | | * McMartin will be going silent for awhile as the workday starts, is more a C++/systems guy |
| 15:28 | <&McMartin> | But it's always nice to see some new names out and about |
| 15:28 | < Xon> | hi Lambo |
| 15:29 | < Lambo> | I mainly do C# |
| 15:30 | < Xon> | <iospace> guys, I have found it, a testiment to all our database query sins (so far!) |
| 15:30 | < Xon> | <iospace> a 210 line select statment |
| 15:30 | < Xon> | eh, seen worse |
| 15:30 | < Lambo> | I said the same ;p |
| 15:30 | <@TheWatcher> | Wait, question: how wide are those lines? |
| 15:31 | < Lambo> | if they're not 80 characters max, I'm leaving. |
| 15:31 | < Xon> | Lambo, rofl |
| 15:33 | <&McMartin> | PUNCH ALL THE CARDS |
| 15:33 | <@iospace> | they don't exceed 80 chars |
| 15:34 | <@iospace> | but they also... USE TABS T_T |
| 15:34 | | * iospace also flips off Xon |
| 15:34 | <@iospace> | ^_^ |
| 15:34 | | Xon is now known as Xoff |
| 15:34 | <@iospace> | yay flow control :3 |
| 15:35 | | Xoff is now known as Xon |
| 15:35 | < Xon> | ^_^ |
| 15:35 | <@iospace> | actually, let me rephrase that |
| 15:35 | <@iospace> | it uses bothtabs and spaces |
| 15:35 | < Xon> | oh god |
| 15:35 | < Xon> | BURN IT |
| 15:36 | <@froztbyte> | :% s/\t/ /g |
| 15:36 | <@froztbyte> | fuck the police |
| 15:36 | | * froztbyte drops a mic and runs |
| 15:37 | < Lambo> | \t can burn in hell! |
| 15:37 | < Lambo> | monospace fonts ftw, tabs can go away |
| 15:37 | <@celticminstrel> | Bah. |
| 15:38 | < Lambo> | you know Consolas is the One True Font(tm) |
| 15:38 | <@celticminstrel> | Tabs forever. |
| 15:39 | | * celticminstrel tends to use Courier... though apparently my TextWrangler is set to Anonymous Pro. |
| 15:40 | <@celticminstrel> | Hm, I wonder if I could load all scripts in a subdirectory without explicitly including every one in a script tag in the HTML file... |
| 15:41 | <@iospace> | see, I have less of a problem with tabs if that's /the only thing used/ for indentation |
| 15:41 | <@iospace> | but this is mixed |
| 15:41 | <@TheWatcher> | ... |
| 15:42 | <@iospace> | (though spaces for life) |
| 15:42 | <@celticminstrel> | It'd be nice if you could do something like <script src='subdir/*.js' />. |
| 15:42 | <@TheWatcher> | iospace: apply fire. Vast quantities of fire and radioactive doom. |
| 15:43 | < Xon> | celticminstrel, that would imply JS wasn't a hacked together thing which had the *concept* of includes in the langauge |
| 15:43 | <@celticminstrel> | Heh. |
| 15:43 | < Xon> | TheWatcher, ++ |
| 15:43 | <@iospace> | TheWatcher: oh, I want to |
| 15:45 | <@iospace> | wait |
| 15:45 | <@iospace> | Lambo: there is a wrapped line here :V |
| 15:46 | <@celticminstrel> | Mixing tabs and spaces is bad, yes. Either alone works fine. |
| 15:46 | <@iospace> | oh, and they use tabs for alignment |
| 15:49 | <&McMartin> | I was unfamiliar with Consolas before this; it is a fine-looking font. |
| 15:52 | < Lambo> | awesome |
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| 16:15 | <@iospace> | the nice thing with single SQL statements is error checking them is easy V: |
| 16:16 | <@iospace> | The bad thing is IT'S A 200+ LINE SQL STATEMENT |
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| 16:17 | < RchrdB> | iospace: whose fault is that? o_O |
| 16:20 | <@iospace> | not mine |
| 16:20 | <@iospace> | (this is all the outsourced code) |
| 16:22 | <@iospace> | http://i.imgur.com/oiifnQh.gif I want to do this to whoever wrote this |
| 16:23 | < RchrdB> | oh dear that poor hcild |
| 16:23 | <&McMartin> | >_< |
| 16:23 | < RchrdB> | *child |
| 16:23 | < RchrdB> | what is that from? it's making my eyes water |
| 16:24 | <@iospace> | I have no clue |
| 16:24 | <@iospace> | I've touched my eyes after handling peppers before |
| 16:38 | <@Tarinaky> | Also, for those keeping score at home, the problem was between my keyboard and chair. |
| 16:38 | <@Tarinaky> | I was supposed to copy out a single function from the file I received. |
| 16:38 | <@Tarinaky> | I did not read the instructions. |
| 16:43 | | * iospace pats Tarinaky |
| 16:49 | < Lambo> | nrgg |
| 16:49 | < Lambo> | i'm gonna kill our dba |
| 16:56 | <@iospace> | o rly |
| 16:56 | <@iospace> | ours is always cranky |
| 16:57 | < Lambo> | our SQL Server HA cluster changed primary nodes |
| 16:57 | < Lambo> | and he never configured them to use my failover utility |
| 16:57 | < Lambo> | so their elastic IPs are now out of sync |
| 16:57 | < Lambo> | which is causing some clients to try and write to a read only replica |
| 16:57 | <@gnolam> | RchrdB: some German comedy show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-KzGKoLHXk |
| 16:57 | | * Lambo mutters |
| 17:20 | <@simon_> | Boyer-Moore vs. Knuth-Morris-Pratt... not having implemented either, which one do people prefer? |
| 17:21 | <&jeroud> | What are those things? |
| 17:21 | <@froztbyte> | string matching algorithms, I'd guess |
| 17:21 | <@simon_> | they're linear-time algorithms for determining if one string is within another. |
| 17:22 | <@froztbyte> | ah, close |
| 17:22 | <@simon_> | yeah, string matching is right :) |
| 17:22 | <@froztbyte> | well, overall. :D |
| 17:22 | <@froztbyte> | but that's a bit more specific |
| 17:22 | <@froztbyte> | simon_: I found a post recently, sec. not sure if it'd be useful but it might maybe be something you can make a call from |
| 17:22 | <@froztbyte> | http://engineering.chartbeat.com/2014/10/17/robot-traffic-filtering-in-real-time / |
| 17:23 | <@froztbyte> | that appears to derp with state machines though |
| 17:23 | <@froztbyte> | but maybe if you're somewhat familiar with either algorithm some of that might be useful |
| 17:23 | <@froztbyte> | (I can't personally comment, I haven't had to care enough just yet. been able to get away by just tweaking ES and lucene) |
| 17:25 | < Lambo> | I once implemented Knuth's algo |
| 17:25 | < Lambo> | long ago |
| 17:25 | < Lambo> | don't even remember why lol |
| 17:26 | <@simon_> | froztbyte, yeah, there was some pseudocode and a hint that Aho-Corasick is better when having many search patterns and not simply long input strings. |
| 17:26 | <@simon_> | I only have one search pattern, but it's nice to know. |
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| 20:53 | <@iospace> | things io finds amusing |
| 20:53 | <@iospace> | by most conventions, 0 as a return code represets success |
| 20:54 | <@iospace> | yet 0 in terms of booleans in C/C++ means false. |
| 20:54 | <&McMartin> | Yep |
| 21:00 | < Lambo> | most painful thing: in my datastructures class, we had to create a queue using two stacks which were my professor's implementation |
| 21:00 | < Lambo> | the fun bit! |
| 21:00 | < Lambo> | on the Pop method, if the stack was empty... it would call exit(1); |
| 21:01 | < Lambo> | (this was C++) |
| 21:01 | < Lambo> | bbiab, hometime |
| 21:03 | < RchrdB> | Lambo: wat |
| 21:04 | < RchrdB> | C++ has exceptions... |
| 21:04 | < RchrdB> | Hell, you could at least have the courtesy to call abort() instead and then your students would get a core dump. |
| 21:04 | < RchrdB> | heh |
| 21:05 | <@Azash> | RchrdB: I see you're pro-implementation choice |
| 21:05 | < RchrdB> | Implementation choice beats the Hell out of undefined behaviour. |
| 21:05 | < RchrdB> | abort() is guaranteed not to carry on regardless, isn't it? |
| 21:07 | < RchrdB> | Yep, the C spec defines abort() as not returning. |
| 21:08 | <@macdjord> | iospace: Really, 0-as-success is the only convention that makes sense. See, you generally only need one sucess value, whereas differentiating different error conditions is important. However, you also want to be able to test for success as easily as possible. With 0-as-success, you can do that with 'if (retval)'. |
| 21:09 | <@iospace> | yeah |
| 21:09 | <@iospace> | i know in UEFI, it was "if(EFI_ERROR(status))" |
| 21:09 | < Julius> | #define true false |
| 21:09 | < Julius> | :V |
| 21:11 | <@macdjord> | Or, more succinctly, there are many error types, but only one success, and there are many true values, but only one false. The mapping os obvious. |
| 21:25 | <@Tarinaky> | Lambo: I hope this was a deliberately shit implementation to encourage the student to implement a wrapper and stuff... |
| 21:25 | <@Tarinaky> | And generally be a teaching opportunity~ |
| 21:25 | <@Tarinaky> | If not: well fuck him. |
| 21:38 | < Lambo> | Tarinaky, well, this professor |
| 21:39 | < Lambo> | was originally a high school math teacher |
| 21:39 | < Lambo> | then got his PhD |
| 21:39 | < Lambo> | and started teaching Computer Science |
| 21:39 | < Lambo> | I HOPE it was intentional in the "read the source before you start working" |
| 21:39 | < Lambo> | but with the way this professor wrote the rest of his code, I don't think it was. |
| 21:40 | <@Tarinaky> | So. I've got /most/ my unit-tests working for this math-parser/(compiler?) but I'm having trouble expressing the associativity in Parsley |
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| 21:42 | <@Tarinaky> | Let me c+p stuffs |
| 21:42 | < Lambo> | like, this professor told me "I use single letter variables because I can't follow longer variable names" |
| 21:43 | < Lambo> | I had to control my snark after hearing that |
| 21:43 | <&McMartin> | Math dude |
| 21:43 | <&McMartin> | There are a very few places where you can kinda get away with this |
| 21:43 | <&McMartin> | Haskell and the ML family have this convention where "x" means "generic object" and "xs" means "list of generic objects" |
| 21:43 | <&McMartin> | You can't really get away with that one in something like C# |
| 21:43 | < Lambo> | or C++ |
| 21:43 | < Lambo> | unless counters |
| 21:44 | <&McMartin> | Yeah, "i" is pretty pro |
| 21:44 | <@Tarinaky> | https://gist.github.com/Tarinaky/7db13d290712e791a9a0 |
| 21:44 | <@macdjord> | The only single-letter variable names you should be using in modern code are loop indexes and looped pointers. |
| 21:44 | < Lambo> | the only time I ever do single letter is counters and in LINQ, eg: .Select(x => /*stuff*/); |
| 21:44 | <@Tarinaky> | What about iterators used as loop indexes? |
| 21:44 | <&McMartin> | Yeah, I'd say there is absolutely a tradition of "x" as "generic object" in certain languages. |
| 21:45 | <&McMartin> | But if you aren't in one of those langauges, dance with the one that brought you |
| 21:45 | <@Tarinaky> | Sometimes with math, if you want to split a big formula into multiple lines, there isn't really anything sensible to call it |
| 21:45 | <@macdjord> | And even then only if no more descriptive name presents itself. |
| 21:45 | <@Tarinaky> | And k can be as sensible as anything else |
| 21:45 | < Lambo> | well, at least the variables weren't hungarian notation |
| 21:45 | <&McMartin> | Now that you mention it |
| 21:46 | <&McMartin> | I assign Meaning to 'k' |
| 21:46 | <@Tarinaky> | What, no iK :P |
| 21:46 | <&McMartin> | That's "configurable integer" |
| 21:46 | <&McMartin> | We're talking parsers here, so yeah, 'k' is the number of tokens of lookahead your grammar requires~ |
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| 21:47 | <@Tarinaky> | Anyway. |
| 21:47 | <@Tarinaky> | WTF is wrong with my parsley :/ |
| 21:47 | <&McMartin> | I'm afraid I've never used Parseley, so. |
| 21:47 | <@Tarinaky> | (Girlfriend is distracting me by talking about an MMO I don't care about >.<) |
| 21:48 | <@Reiv> | (You have a girlfriend?) |
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| 21:48 | <@macdjord> | Tarinaky: If I knew annything about the culinary uses of parseley, I'd make a joke here. |
| 21:48 | <@Tarinaky> | There's a 70s-ish kids show with a Cowardly Lion called parsley |
| 21:49 | <@Tarinaky> | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYY5w4rBbGs |
| 21:49 | <@Tarinaky> | (Reiv: Not for long if she keeps talking about Aion) |
| 21:50 | <@Reiv> | (I did not think you, uh, were the sort to want girlfriends) |
| 21:50 | < Lambo> | ahah |
| 21:50 | < Lambo> | found my professor's code: http://lambo.privatepaste.com/df93b579dc |
| 21:50 | <@Tarinaky> | (Reiv: I'm bi) |
| 21:50 | <@gnolam> | Lambo: heh. I had a professor who, on the first lecture, showed us a slide with a function definition in the style of "(define (x y z w) (+ (* y z) ..." and then leaned forward and said "and if you /ever/ hand in a piece of code that looks like this... I will HUNT YOU DOWN AND I WILL KILL YOU." |
| 21:50 | <@Reiv> | (Carry on then) |
| 21:51 | < Lambo> | gnolam: hah |
| 21:51 | < Lambo> | enjoy my professor's code! |
| 21:52 | <@gnolam> | (He was a very love him or hate him kind of professor.) |
| 21:52 | <@iospace> | I joke with one of my co-workers that a mutual prof of ours would destroy the company who wrote our code |
| 21:52 | <@Azash> | gnolam: Reminds me of Eckel's "thinking in C++" and its examples of function pointer syntax |
| 21:52 | < Lambo> | if my professor worked at my company, he'd probably be fired for writing code like that |
| 21:53 | < Lambo> | then again, my professor doesn't have any real-world experience so! |
| 21:53 | <@Azash> | gnolam: /* 3. */ typedef double (*(*(*fp3)())[10])(); |
| 21:53 | <@iospace> | Azash: WHAT THE FUCK |
| 21:54 | < Lambo> | you broke iospace |
| 21:54 | <@iospace> | and I've been looking at shitty code all day T_T |
| 21:54 | <@Azash> | iospace: http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/lindert/ticpp/ <-- Chapter 3 and find "complicated declarations" |
| 21:54 | < Lambo> | I swear I heard a head crash |
| 21:55 | <@iospace> | then again, I have worked with CHAR** and CHAR*** |
| 21:55 | <@iospace> | V: |
| 21:55 | <@gnolam> | Azash: and this is where I point out that "Eckel" is a homophone for "disgust" or [applied to a person] "creep" in Swedish.~ |
| 21:55 | <@Azash> | Yep |
| 21:55 | <@Azash> | iospace: âAn fp3 is a pointer to a function that takes no arguments and returns a pointer to an array of 10 pointers to functions that take no arguments and return doubles.â |
| 21:56 | < Lambo> | wait |
| 21:56 | < Lambo> | so |
| 21:57 | < Lambo> | basically: Func<Func<double>[]> |
| 21:57 | <@Azash> | If I understand that syntax correctly, yes |
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| 21:59 | < Lambo> | heh, that typedef makes... sense |
| 22:06 | <@macdjord> | Uhg. I have found, to date, 3 things in the C language I consider unambiguous /mistakes/. That typedef demonstartes 2 of them. |
| 22:08 | <@macdjord> | Namely, expressing pointer types by adding '*' to the /variable name/ instead of to the type, and the whole mess of anonamous function syntax. |
| 22:08 | <@macdjord> | (The third error is the lack of named break/continue.) |
| 22:08 | < Lambo> | int *ptrMySpecialInt; instead of int* ptrMySpecialInt; ? |
| 22:09 | <@celticminstrel> | The first is why I never declare another variable on the same line as a pointer. |
| 22:09 | <&McMartin> | Lambo: more that int* p, q; declares a pointer to int p, and an int q. |
| 22:09 | <@macdjord> | Lambo: If I had my way, it would be '*int ptrToInt;'. |
| 22:09 | <@celticminstrel> | What's that about function syntax? |
| 22:09 | < Lambo> | ahh |
| 22:09 | <@celticminstrel> | macdjord: "int* p" would still be workable if the * bound to int instead of to p, though. |
| 22:11 | <@macdjord> | celticminstrel: Yeah, but putting '*' first a) reads better (*int -> "pointer to int"), b) is less ambiguous, and c) makes the const keyword work intutively. |
| 22:11 | <@celticminstrel> | If you mean that "const*int" would be a const pointer and "*const int" would be a pointer to const, then yeah. |
| 22:12 | <@celticminstrel> | What's the 3rd mistake you've identified? |
| 22:13 | <@macdjord> | celticminstrel: The three mistakes are pointer types, function pointer syntax, and lack of named break/continue. |
| 22:13 | <@celticminstrel> | Ah. |
| 22:13 | <@celticminstrel> | Named break is doable with goto, not sure about named continue. |
| 22:14 | <@macdjord> | celticminstrel: As for function syntax... I'm not sure to /fix/ it, but that typedef dhoul look something like 'typedef [blah] fp3'. |
| 22:14 | <@celticminstrel> | I'd agree they'd both be useful though. |
| 22:15 | <@celticminstrel> | C++ "fixes" the typedef syntax by introducing a new use for "using". |
| 22:15 | <@celticminstrel> | using fp3 = blah; |
| 22:15 | <@macdjord> | Named continue is also doiable; jump to a label just /before/ the closing brace. But I'd like to do it without goto. |
| 22:15 | <@celticminstrel> | Is that really semantically the same? |
| 22:15 | <@celticminstrel> | Oh wait. |
| 22:15 | <@celticminstrel> | Just before the end. |
| 22:15 | <@celticminstrel> | I guess it is then. |
| 22:17 | <@celticminstrel> | I think when I found myself needing named continue I just rewrote it in terms of named break. |
| 22:19 | <@macdjord> | 'using fp3 = blah;' doesn't help; what I object to isn't the order inwhich the terms appear. |
| 22:19 | <@macdjord> | My objection is that that statement, semantically, means "define the name 'fp3' to mean 'a pointer to a function ... returns a double'". Therefore, the line should have 2 elements: "fp3" and something which means 'a pointer to a function ... returns a double'. |
| 22:19 | <@macdjord> | As it is, the line consists of the elements 'double' and... that mess. |
| 22:22 | <@macdjord> | I suppose, really, this and the pointer thing are just two elements of the same objection: I think that modifyers should be attached to the thing they are modifying, not the name that thing is beaing bound to. |
| 22:23 | <@celticminstrel> | True, the mess would be pretty much the same with using (just remove "fp3" from the middle). |
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| 23:12 | < [R]> | <macdjord> Namely, expressing pointer types by adding '*' to the /variable name/ instead of to the type, and the whole mess of anonamous function syntax. <-- char *str; char * str; and char* str; are the same. |
| 23:13 | <@macdjord> | [R]: Yes. But '*char str' would be better than any of those. |
| 23:13 | < [R]> | Fair enough |
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