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| 14:31 | < Vorntastic> | Gnolam: "DAO Tabledef" |
| 14:32 | < Vorntastic> | It's about all you get, unfortunately. |
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| 15:28 | <@iospace> | is it just me, or does sql seem ALWAYS ANGRY AND ALWAYS YELLING? |
| 15:34 | < RchrdB> | yes but also no |
| 15:34 | < RchrdB> | there is something I find bizarrely appealing about the style where all the keywords are in capitals and just identifiers are lowercase |
| 15:43 | <@iospace> | RchrdB: you've never used TOAD, have you :P |
| 15:43 | < RchrdB> | Never heard of it. What is it, please? |
| 15:45 | <@iospace> | a program for working with Oracle databases |
| 15:45 | <@iospace> | or well |
| 15:45 | <@iospace> | any DB |
| 15:45 | <@iospace> | if you use its autocomplete, it caps /everything/ |
| 15:46 | | * RchrdB shivers |
| 15:46 | <@iospace> | so it ends up looking like "SELECT * FROM TABLE;" |
| 15:46 | <@iospace> | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toad_(software) |
| 15:50 | < RchrdB> | Does one use this on purpose? |
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| 15:54 | <@iospace> | yes? |
| 15:56 | <@iospace> | I'm working with a fuckhuge DB right now, so.. |
| 15:58 | <@iospace> | one table I know of has ~7 million rows |
| 15:59 | <@gnolam> | Fuckhuge? An object-carnal-relational database, eh? |
| 16:00 | <@iospace> | <_< |
| 16:03 | < RchrdB> | I mean is TOAD a nice thing in your opinion that you are glad to have the use of? |
| 16:05 | <@iospace> | honestly, yes |
| 16:05 | <@iospace> | because I can look at table layouts without looking at the data or having to write statements |
| 16:05 | <@iospace> | (and in my line of work, trying to avoid looking at the data /is a good thing/) |
| 16:06 | <@gnolam> | Also, 7 million rows is the kind of table I'm currently expected to have realtime partial text matching working on on old computers ;_; |
| 16:06 | <@iospace> | (let's just say that I could get in deep legal shit if I dug into the data intentionally) |
| 16:10 | <@iospace> | gnolam: hahah |
| 16:10 | <@iospace> | mind you, that's just one table in this massive, sprawling mess |
| 16:13 | <@iospace> | ... this script has 1016 commands on it T_T |
| 16:27 | < RchrdB> | iospace: cool, thank you. ^_^ |
| 16:27 | <@iospace> | and I broke everything. At least it was testing |
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| 18:52 | <&McMartin> | Ha ha, OK, that's one advantage of a one-pass compiler I hadn't actually previously considered. |
| 18:53 | | * McMartin looks up an old structured programming language for the 8-bit micros |
| 18:53 | <&McMartin> | It was one-pass and, I must assume, had no backreferences |
| 18:53 | <&McMartin> | Because it could compile *directly to disk* |
| 18:55 | <&McMartin> | That's one way to not have your ASTs blow out your microcomputer's RAM. |
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| 20:54 | | * macdjord ponders |
| 20:55 | <@macdjord> | I am Not A Fan of PHP. |
| 20:55 | <&jerith> | macdjord: Did it touch you inappropriately again? |
| 20:55 | <@macdjord> | But am I Not A Fan enough to say I'm not interested in this PHP developer position I'm being emailed about? |
| 20:56 | <&McMartin> | It depends on what they are wanting it for |
| 20:56 | <&jerith> | What is the position and how desperate are you? |
| 20:56 | <&McMartin> | That too, yes |
| 20:56 | <&McMartin> | "Are there currently things you would rather have than money" |
| 20:57 | <@macdjord> | 'PHP Developer' is all the details I have; this is a 'hey I saw your resume on monster.ca; do you want to know more?' |
| 20:57 | <&jerith> | macdjord: Can't hurt to get more details, I suppose. |
| 20:58 | <&McMartin> | Yeah |
| 20:58 | <&McMartin> | If, for instance, they mean "someone who knows PHP well enough to transition our PHP apps to something else"... |
| 20:58 | <@macdjord> | McMartin: I'm far from broke, but if I don't get a new job in Montreal soon, I'm going to have to move back to Toronto with my family, and two moves equals one fire. |
| 20:58 | <@macdjord> | Could be worse, of course. |
| 20:59 | <@macdjord> | They could be asking for COBOL. |
| 20:59 | <&McMartin> | If you will be part of a team, and you are unable to contain your hatred of the platform, you will be a serious annoyance to your co-workers and vice versa |
| 21:00 | <&jerith> | One of the problems with PHP is that it can be hard to get out of if you're in it for long enough. |
| 21:00 | <&McMartin> | If it's raw code maintenance, then you're looking at "it pays the bills" but you start looking for work again in three months or less |
| 21:01 | <&McMartin> | I would make sure to be publicly part of some open-source non-PHP project so that you can also tout that in "recent experience" |
| 21:02 | <@macdjord> | McMartin: Mostly I just remember a conversation with my PHP-experianced collegue last time I worked with it. Wnt something like this: "So... this is an array, and also a hash, at the same time?" "Yup." "So it has a natural order." "Correct." "And it I add or delete an element by hash index, how does it change the ordering by numeric indexes?" "Iunnow." |
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| 21:03 | | * macdjord decides to reply with 'Not interested, but if you have any Java/C/Perl/Python roles...' |
| 21:03 | <&jerith> | macdjord: PHP is a horrible language, but it's possible to be productive in it. |
| 21:04 | <&jerith> | I'd rather work with good people in a crappy language than with crappy people in a good language. |
| 21:05 | <&jerith> | But I know very few good people who'd willingly work in PHP. |
| 21:06 | <&McMartin> | co-signed, all three of those |
| 21:07 | <&McMartin> | The only language I can think of that it isn't actually possible to be productive in is Malbolge~ |
| 21:08 | <&jerith> | And they're mostly on the hippyvm.com team, because they like the poetry of separating large PHP-using organisations from piles of money. |
| 21:08 | <@macdjord> | Yeah, told him 'not interested in PHP'. |
| 22:02 | <@Syloq> | so much PHP hate. |
| 22:05 | <@froztbyte> | let it groooooooow |
| 22:43 | <&jerith> | Let it dieeeeeeeeeeeeee. |
| 22:56 | <@froztbyte> | nah, don't let the hate die |
| 22:57 | <@froztbyte> | the hate must flow |
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