| --- Log opened Fri Sep 19 00:00:43 2014 |
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| 03:35 | <&ToxicFrog> | ...this is weird as hell and has to be some kind of bug in Chrome itself. |
| 03:36 | <&ToxicFrog> | The Hacker Vision extension is broken on the Something Awful forums; it doesn't invert anything when the page loads, then inverts individual chunks as they are moused over. |
| 03:36 | <&ToxicFrog> | ...unless I zoom out to โค75%, in which case it mysteriously starts working. |
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| 04:00 | <@Reiv> | Hacker Vision? |
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| 04:07 | < Harlow> | serious question, have any of you had to decode assembly to rescue a program for a company? |
| 04:09 | <~Vornicus> | x86 and jvm. |
| 04:10 | <~Vornicus> | I had solid tools to do it with though |
| 04:10 | < Harlow> | solid tools meaning? |
| 04:10 | < Harlow> | i mean all i have is gdb, this is just university mind you, but they make it sound like gdb is the end all. |
| 04:10 | <&ToxicFrog> | Reiv: inverts page colours so that you can read dark-on-light pages without your eyes melting |
| 04:10 | <&ToxicFrog> | Harlow: decode assembly, yes. To rescue a company, no. |
| 04:11 | <&ToxicFrog> | (I used IDA) |
| 04:11 | <&ToxicFrog> | (or gdb, in one case) |
| 04:11 | <@Reiv> | cute |
| 04:13 | | Kindamoody[zZz] is now known as Kindamoody |
| 04:19 | <&ToxicFrog> | Specifically, it was all game hackery -- System Shock, Total Annihilation, and D2X-XL. And Sonic 3. Nothing serious. |
| 04:19 | <&ToxicFrog> | (actually, no, Sonic 3 was just data hacking, so I just used a hex editor for that) |
| 04:23 | <~Vornicus> | IDA and gdb, and then jvm had a bunch of tools but I don't remember them |
| 04:24 | <@Reiv> | You hacked TA, TF? |
| 04:36 | <&ToxicFrog> | Reiv: I was working on MP3 support for it when GOG beat me to it |
| 04:36 | <&ToxicFrog> | I don't think I have the work in progress anymore, but it was a pretty straightforward patch |
| 04:36 | <@Reiv> | haha, cute |
| 04:37 | <@Reiv> | Oh wait I remember you talking about it |
| 04:37 | <@Reiv> | It was pretty clever, aye |
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| 06:03 | <&McMartin> | Harlow: I've done it as part of my professional duties in the past. |
| 06:04 | <&McMartin> | I've seen IDA Pro used but haven't had occasion to myself; I've generally used Windows debugging tools for this purpose myself. |
| 06:04 | <&McMartin> | My retrocoding hobby has involved quite a bit more disassembly. |
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| 07:13 | < Xon> | ToxicFrog, what patches did you do for Total Annihilation? |
| 07:14 | < Xon> | someone actually released an mp3 patch on tauniverse.com ages ago IIRC before GOG did |
| 07:14 | < Xon> | (of course my memory could be fuzzy) |
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| 09:01 | < Julius> | Dangit. |
| 09:02 | < Julius> | Anyone perhaps have a prebuilt ISO of a bootable USB with bootcamp and the 64bit version of Windows 8.1? |
| 09:04 | < Julius> | Or perhaps a way to run applications intended for the newer Windows, on XP? |
| 09:04 | < Julius> | Or even an alternative method of installing Win8.1 on a Mac? |
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| 10:00 | <@Tarinaky> | Question: Does the debugger included in Visual Studio have an equivalent to GDB's 'finish' command? |
| 10:01 | <@Tarinaky> | i.e. one which continues until the current stack frame returns. |
| 10:02 | <@Tarinaky> | It'd go a long way to getting people to stop using single-entry-single-return idioms as well as earn me kudos. |
| 10:38 | | * Julius curses Microsoft and Apple. |
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| 11:25 | < Julius> | Arghle. |
| 11:25 | < Julius> | The solution turned out to be "unmount the ISO file", because it was mounted automatically. |
| 11:25 | < Julius> | The error message was completely misleading. |
| 11:26 | < Julius> | It just said that the bootable USB could not be created and that the program only works with 64-bit Windows versions. |
| 11:27 | < Julius> | This does not make me think "guess the ISO file is mounted, I gotta unmount it". |
| 11:40 | | * Tarinaky grumbles about allocations on the stack not automatically being zero-ed out. |
| 11:42 | <@Tarinaky> | I fucking hate C. |
| 11:42 | <@Tarinaky> | Pretty sure I have those pointers set to null in the struct definition too. |
| 11:42 | <@Tarinaky> | So no clue why it's being silly. |
| 11:42 | <@Tarinaky> | But w/e. |
| 12:03 | | * Julius waits for the progress bar to finish. |
| 12:04 | < Julius> | It looks like it'll take a while. |
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| 13:08 | < Julius> | This guest network is rather severely restricted bandwidth-wise. I expect I'll be watching this progress bar for another few hours, as Windows drivers are being downloaded. |
| 13:42 | < Julius> | UGH. Another two hours due to required updates. |
| 13:43 | < Julius> | Why the hell do I need to update OSX so that Windows will install? |
| 13:43 | < Julius> | (I've tried without, and it just says that there's no available images. Whatever that means.) |
| 14:15 | <&ToxicFrog> | Xon: like I said -- I was working on an mp3 patch, and had a POC working, but then I got sidetracked and by the time I returned to it the GOG version was out. |
| 14:16 | <&ToxicFrog> | (actually released hacks: Sonic 3 invisibility music hack, System Shock high resolution patch, and a short-lived binary patch for a SIGFPE bug in D2X-XL) |
| 14:19 | < Julius> | Anyone know the reason for a Windows installation to show "No images are available." error? |
| 14:21 | | * Julius isn't sure if it's possible to make installing Windows on a Mac more convoluted and difficult. |
| 14:28 | <&ToxicFrog> | No idea, I've never installed windows on a Mac. |
| 14:28 | <@Azash> | http://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/2gt7x5/just_sysadmin_things_for_which_ ive_been/ |
| 14:29 | < Julius> | I'm particularly not happy with the way the new Windows is made available for installation. |
| 14:29 | <&ToxicFrog> | Taking an extremely wild guess, recent versions of windows work by plating an install image onto the target partition and then expanding it; maybe it has no install images for the hardware you're trying to install it on? |
| 14:29 | <&ToxicFrog> | At least, win7 does. IIRC you're installing 8, which I know nothing about. |
| 14:30 | < Julius> | I'm trying to install Win8.1. We have purchased licenses for it, but not media (I was on vacation when that decision got made). |
| 14:30 | < Julius> | So, problem became how to even begin. To download the Windows installation image, you - get this - already have to have Windows. |
| 14:31 | < Julius> | And not just any Windows, it has to be Win7 or Win8 of the particular architecture you need. |
| 14:31 | < Julius> | There's no plan for people with older Windows versions, or without Windows, or with Windows installed on different architectures. |
| 14:31 | <&ToxicFrog> | Wait, what? |
| 14:32 | < Julius> | Which part is unclear? |
| 14:32 | <&ToxicFrog> | Ok, so if you have license keys, the obvious solution here is to torrent the images you need |
| 14:32 | < Julius> | I did. |
| 14:32 | <&ToxicFrog> | In that case, I've got nothing. Good luck! |
| 14:34 | < Julius> | I'm not 100% certain the exact version matches (it's Win8.1 x64, but it's a different language), and whether the capable folks at Microsoft saw this as a piratical exploit and disallowed it. |
| 14:35 | < Julius> | (I certainly would have liked to get an exact duplicate installation medium, but who exactly uploads Norwegian versions of the vanilla, uncracked x64 Win8.1?) |
| 14:36 | < Julius> | After I got through the overly lengthy process of creating a Mac-enabled bootable USB for installing Windows, I got stuck after restarting. |
| 14:37 | < Julius> | I give my license key, and it is accepted. Except the next step is "select operating system to install" and the only option is "No images are available". |
| 14:37 | < Julius> | It might be that the problem is not a fully updated OSX. I'm trying that. |
| 14:38 | < Julius> | If not, I'm going to put the potential blame on the image I downloaded not being a perfect match. |
| 14:38 | < Julius> | And that will require a trip to a friend who has the damned matching Windows required, download the medium properly, then try again. |
| 14:39 | < Julius> | At least I'm getting paid for this. |
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