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| 02:49 | <@gnolam> | https://twitter.com/embee/status/416121742738739200 |
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| 10:01 | <@ErikMesoy> | Argh, making a GUI and trying to not pass huge amounts of state around. Also avoiding globals. Rubber duck debugging keeps coming up "I need to rewrite it". |
| 10:10 | <&McMartin> | If individual actions are passing around huge amounts of state, yeah, you need to centralize your model more and have the view be more terse about sending and receiving change events |
| 10:39 | <@ErikMesoy> | Hm. Trying to spell out my architecture (go go gadget UML wanking) results in me having difficulty with the distinction between Model and Control, and drawing something more like a hierarchical system User -> View -> Control -> Data, with calls going right and returns going left. |
| 10:39 | <@ErikMesoy> | Is this a [known pattern/classic mistake]? |
| 10:41 | <@Azash> | The usual distinction is that the models are the object-objects, doing the core computation, working with the database and so. Essentially they represent the various types of items and concepts that your program needs |
| 10:42 | <@Azash> | The controller receives the request, operates on models based on the data of the request, and prepares the working data which the view (which is just given the data it needs to present the page) uses |
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| 22:39 | <@celticminstrel> | ...what on earth does $< mean? This is in a Makefile. |
| 22:40 | <@TheWatcher> | $< is the first prerequisite |
| 22:41 | <@TheWatcher> | (usually the source file) |
| 22:41 | <@celticminstrel> | Will this work on Windows? |
| 22:41 | <@Tamber> | as much as make ever will. |
| 22:41 | <&McMartin> | It'll work with MSYS or MinGW. |
| 22:41 | <@Tamber> | It's an automatic variable within make |
| 22:41 | <&McMartin> | I have no idea if it works with NMAKE. |
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| 22:41 | <@celticminstrel> | nmake is what I was hoping for. |
| 22:42 | <&McMartin> | "worth a shot, don't count on it until you try" |
| 22:42 | <@celticminstrel> | 'kay |
| 22:45 | <@celticminstrel> | Any idea which cl option is equivalent to -g? Though, since that's debugging, I can probably just get rid of it for now. |
| 22:46 | <&McMartin> | /Z7 |
| 22:46 | <@celticminstrel> | I saw a few debugging options on the MSDN page, so I wasn't sure which one it would be. Thanks. |
| 22:46 | <&McMartin> | That's the default one |
| 22:47 | <&McMartin> | There are others for different kinds of debugging options |
| 22:47 | <&McMartin> | Easiest way to find these is probably to install MSVS express and it gives the options in the Property menu in parens after the option |
| 22:49 | <@celticminstrel> | I actually have MSVS12 Ultimate from dreamspark. |
| 22:50 | <&McMartin> | That'll work too |
| 22:50 | <&McMartin> | I assume. |
| 22:50 | <&McMartin> | (I've got 2008 here and that's where I got the /Z7) |
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| 23:09 | <@celticminstrel> | Okay, now I have unresolved external symbols _snprintf and _bzero. |
| 23:19 | <&McMartin> | Those are probably not part of the MSVCRT. |
| 23:20 | <@celticminstrel> | I dunno. |
| 23:24 | <&McMartin> | Does the source refer to "snprintf" or "_snprintf"? |
| 23:24 | <&McMartin> | The MS runtimes often put _ in front of POSIX-but-not-*quite* C functions. |
| 23:25 | <&McMartin> | http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/2ts7cx93.aspx |
| 23:26 | <&McMartin> | Some quick googling implies the MSVCRT doesn't have bzero, and instead uses SecureZeroMemory |
| 23:28 | <@celticminstrel> | Yeah, got it to work by adding a conditional define to change snprintf to _snprintf and bzero to a memset. |
| 23:29 | <&McMartin> | Right. Those are library differences cross-runtime. |
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