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| 16:55 | <@Tarinaky> | So I have a laptop with a minimal linux interface (I can log in to CLI) |
| 16:56 | <@Tamber> | Well, that's always a good start. |
| 16:56 | <@Tarinaky> | Installing additional utilities requires internet access. 'iwlist wlan0 scan' tells me the network device is busy or doesn't support scanning. |
| 16:56 | <@Tarinaky> | I don't know what the essid or anything for the wireless AP in this house is. |
| 16:56 | <@Tarinaky> | (my desktop is on a wired link) |
| 16:57 | <@Tarinaky> | But, my windows machine /does/ have a wireless card. |
| 16:57 | <@Tarinaky> | It just isn't being used. |
| 16:57 | <@Tamber> | Can't drag it somewhere to plug in a cable long enough to get some less-horrible network control software? |
| 16:57 | <@Tarinaky> | How do I use my Windows machine to get the essid data? |
| 16:57 | <@Tamber> | (I usually go for wicd, since it's got a nice-ish curses interface.) |
| 16:57 | <@Tarinaky> | Tamber: There isn't a spare slot in the switch iirc. |
| 16:57 | <@Tarinaky> | Also, this would require putting on trousers and leaving my bedroom. |
| 16:57 | <@Tamber> | :p |
| 16:57 | <&ToxicFrog> | Tarinaky: the essid is just the wireless network name |
| 16:58 | <&ToxicFrog> | Oh |
| 16:58 | <&ToxicFrog> | Um |
| 16:58 | <&ToxicFrog> | Windows has wireless control software built in |
| 16:58 | <@Tamber> | sneakernet the packages you need? |
| 16:58 | <&ToxicFrog> | You can probably just enable the wnic from network interface settings and then a systray icon will occur |
| 16:58 | <&ToxicFrog> | that said |
| 16:58 | <@Tarinaky> | I just want my windows machine to do a scan for wireless networks |
| 16:59 | <&ToxicFrog> | It will probably be much easier to just borrow the cable from the windows machine for a few minutes to get everything set up. |
| 16:59 | <@Tarinaky> | The NIC is enabled. |
| 16:59 | <@Tamber> | ^ |
| 16:59 | <@Tarinaky> | And I'm clicking the scan button, but /nothing/ is appearing. |
| 16:59 | <&ToxicFrog> | Configuring wireless, especially encrypted wireless, from the command line is a vale of tears. |
| 16:59 | <@Tarinaky> | Which can't be right because this is a residential area. |
| 16:59 | <&ToxicFrog> | Non-broadcasting network, then? |
| 16:59 | <@Tarinaky> | All of them? |
| 16:59 | | * ToxicFrog shrugs |
| 16:59 | <@Tarinaky> | Someone's going to be broadcasting /something/ |
| 16:59 | <&ToxicFrog> | Not necessarily. |
| 17:00 | <@Tarinaky> | There's flats across the road. |
| 17:00 | <&ToxicFrog> | Anyways. If you know there is a working WAP, check the configuration on the WAP itself, or on another device already connected to it. |
| 17:00 | <@Tarinaky> | I'd expect to be picking up /some/ signals :/ |
| 17:00 | <&ToxicFrog> | But seriously. |
| 17:00 | <&ToxicFrog> | Just use the cable from your windows machine. |
| 17:00 | <&ToxicFrog> | Troubleshooting wireless on windows sucks hugely. Troubleshooting wireless on linux from the command line sucks even more. |
| 17:01 | <@ErikMesoy> | "Configuring wireless, especially encrypted wireless, from the command line is a vale of tears." -- yes |
| 17:01 | <@celticminstrel> | I was trying to do that yesterday. I couldn't figure out where in Windows XP it might possibly say what wireless network you're connected to. |
| 17:02 | <&ToxicFrog> | celticminstrel: on windows 7, there's a systray icon for it. |
| 17:02 | <&ToxicFrog> | On windows XP, you may be at the mercy of whatever connection management crapware installed with the drivers. |
| 17:02 | <@celticminstrel> | Unfortunately my grandfather has not updated to windows 7 yet. |
| 17:02 | <&ToxicFrog> | Which could be anywhere. |
| 17:02 | <@celticminstrel> | ...right. |
| 17:03 | <@Tarinaky> | I can't unplug my windows machine :/ |
| 17:04 | <@Tarinaky> | Anyway. I have the essid. Now I.... can't remember what I need to do next. |
| 17:06 | <&ToxicFrog> | Why not? |
| 17:06 | <@Tarinaky> | Because instructions are on the internet. |
| 17:07 | <@Tarinaky> | Also, I just realised I forgot to fix the issue I was having with grub herp |
| 17:07 | <@Tarinaky> | Note to self: next time, steal a nicer laptop |
| 17:08 | <@celticminstrel> | If the two computers are adjacent you could probably move the cord back and forth as needed >_> Unless that means you can't chat here, I suppose. |
| 17:15 | <@Tarinaky> | I don't remember having half as much trouble with my old laptop :/ |
| 17:17 | <&ToxicFrog> | So...the instructions are online, but once the move the cable over you'll be able to get at them from the laptop, no? |
| 17:17 | <&ToxicFrog> | (also, is there a reason you didn't install some sort of graphical interface in the first place?) |
| 17:20 | <@Tarinaky> | ToxicFrog: I just clicked through the defaults. Then midway through setting it up the temperature in the room became too much to bare so I put it in a box to deal with later. |
| 17:20 | <@Tarinaky> | It is now later. |
| 17:21 | <@Tarinaky> | Anyway. Solution I went with: I've booted off the install media I have and I'm going to chroot and apt-get from there. |
| 17:21 | <&ToxicFrog> | What distro defaults to text-only installation? |
| 17:21 | <@Tarinaky> | Or I would if I could work out how to get it to let me open another VTTY |
| 17:21 | <@Tarinaky> | ToxicFrog: Lubuntu apparently |
| 17:22 | <&ToxicFrog> | Huh. |
| 17:23 | <&ToxicFrog> | The usual ctrl-alt-F# don't work? |
| 17:23 | <&ToxicFrog> | ...are you sure it actually finished installing? |
| 17:32 | | * Tarinaky decides to install from scratch |
| 17:32 | <@Tarinaky> | Note to self: find a better distro :/ |
| 17:34 | <&ToxicFrog> | I've been quite happy with SUSE. |
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| 18:33 | | * Tamber squints. "I seem to think I'm funny, when coding." |
| 18:33 | <@Tamber> | xor ah, ah ; ...ah? |
| 18:38 | <@Azash> | One! One xor one, ah ah ah |
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| 18:47 | <@Tarinaky> | Oh my fucking lord why is everything deliberately difficult. |
| 18:47 | <@Tarinaky> | Restarting my laptop because I can't figure out how to /restart a fucking daemon/ |
| 18:47 | <&ToxicFrog> | Tarinaky: old-school: service foo restart |
| 18:48 | <@ErikMesoy> | Because everything is made by smelly neckbeards |
| 18:48 | <&ToxicFrog> | new-school: systemctl restart foo |
| 18:48 | <&ToxicFrog> | In SUSE you can also open yast and restart it from there, IIRC; other distros might have an equivalent. |
| 18:48 | <@Tarinaky> | ATM I don't have a GUI working :/ |
| 18:48 | <@Tarinaky> | I'm not that far |
| 18:49 | <@Tarinaky> | For some reason I recall this distro working out of the box on my last laptop and just working |
| 18:49 | <@Tarinaky> | I don't remember having... any of this trouble. |
| 18:50 | <&ToxicFrog> | It really does kind of sound like the install never finished and you're in the installer's text mode or something. |
| 18:51 | <&ToxicFrog> | (also, yast has a curses mode. But if you're not on SUSE that doesn't help you.) |
| 18:51 | <@Tarinaky> | I already did the install again |
| 18:51 | <&ToxicFrog> | And told it to install a gui this time? |
| 18:51 | <@Tarinaky> | dIDN'T ASK |
| 18:52 | <@Tamber> | ...wait, what distro is this? |
| 18:52 | <@Tarinaky> | lubuntu |
| 18:52 | <@Tamber> | ...oh. |
| 18:52 | <@Tarinaky> | I think it's a minimal iso though |
| 18:52 | <@Tamber> | I usually go through /etc/init.d/ on debian-based stuff. |
| 18:52 | <@Tarinaky> | Because iirc I originally made this USB keydrive as a "Oh god my laptop won't boot" thing |
| 18:53 | <@Tarinaky> | Anyway. Current stress is that Openbox isn't working :/ |
| 18:53 | <@Tarinaky> | I copied the default menu into my user's homedirectory. |
| 18:53 | <@Tarinaky> | But nothing happens when I right-click |
| 19:07 | <@Tarinaky> | Plus this keyboard is wonky so I can't type dick :/ |
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| 20:10 | <@Tarinaky> | Aaaand the installer itself shits itself |
| 20:10 | <@Tarinaky> | Yay Ubuntu! |
| 20:10 | | * Tarinaky grrs |
| 20:11 | <@Azash> | Which error did you get? |
| 20:11 | <@Tarinaky> | A file was locked. |
| 20:12 | <@Tarinaky> | And, of course, I don't have fuser or lsof available to find the offending process. |
| 20:12 | <@Tarinaky> | So I'm just gonna have to start the installer all over again and hope for the best :/ |
| 20:14 | <@Azash> | What about grepping in /proc ? |
| 20:14 | <@Tarinaky> | I'll try to keep that in mind. |
| 20:14 | <@Tarinaky> | Too late now though |
| 20:14 | <@Tarinaky> | TBH this laptop, so far, is good for little else besides being a space-heater. |
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| 20:18 | <@Tarinaky> | At this point I'm genuinely wondering if it's be easier to just clone the disk off my old laptop :/ |
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| 20:36 | <@froztbyte> | uh |
| 20:36 | <@froztbyte> | McMartin, gn[tab] |
| 20:36 | <@froztbyte> | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yTsCOy7j0M |
| 20:37 | <@froztbyte> | I can't remember who else liked demos |
| 20:37 | <@celticminstrel> | ? |
| 20:38 | <@froztbyte> | are you familiar with the demoscene, or perchance 8088 Corruption? |
| 20:45 | <@celticminstrel> | No? |
| 20:46 | <@froztbyte> | okay |
| 20:46 | <@froztbyte> | so |
| 20:47 | <@froztbyte> | there's a dude who took an 8088 and made it do tricks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1p1im_2uf4 |
| 20:47 | <@froztbyte> | the demoscene is full of people like this. it varies from writing super-tiny programs (like, 64k) that run for minutes when they render, in exquisite detail |
| 20:47 | <@froztbyte> | to people who do the kind of insane hardware hacks like this |
| 20:47 | <@froztbyte> | and often they intersect too |
| 20:49 | <@froztbyte> | for a full explanation of what's happening in the last link, see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6CkYou6hYU |
| 20:50 | <@froztbyte> | then, after all that, the same guy took an 8088 and /tricked it out even more/ |
| 20:50 | <@froztbyte> | to the point where it could manage up to 60fps |
| 20:51 | <@froztbyte> | for more demoscene, see http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=30244 / http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=1221 (64k, 2000!) / http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=9450 |
| 20:51 | <@froztbyte> | these people just keep going on, though |
| 20:52 | <@froztbyte> | http://www.pouet.net/party.php?which=1550 is this year's Revision entries |
| 20:52 | <@froztbyte> | http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=62935 is a modern 64k |
| 20:52 | <@froztbyte> | it is just basically all-round seriously impressive work, all the time :) |
| 20:53 | <@froztbyte> | farbrausch also released a ton of their tools recently: http://www.geeks3d.com/20120415/demoscene-source-code-of-farbrauschs-demo-tools- 2001-2011-available/ |
| 20:53 | <@froztbyte> | which is excellent reference material for a whole ton of stuff |
| 20:54 | <@froztbyte> | </demoscene intro> |
| 20:54 | <@froztbyte> | celticminstrel: have fun :) |
| 20:55 | <@froztbyte> | (for the record, that's video and audio. in 64k. you can grab the executable and run it yourself) |
| 20:56 | | * Tamber does a little dance. |
| 20:57 | <@Tamber> | Found the demo I was looking for. Which is really, sometimes, quite awkward. |
| 20:57 | <@froztbyte> | hmm? |
| 20:57 | <@Tamber> | http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=52931 |
| 20:58 | <@Tamber> | I know, not in the same category; but I saw it once, and wanted to watch it again, but couldn't find it. :p |
| 20:58 | | * froztbyte looks |
| 20:58 | <@froztbyte> | Tamber: nah, categories are fine :) |
| 20:58 | <@froztbyte> | I like the fact that they still keep things alive |
| 20:59 | <@Tamber> | *nods* |
| 20:59 | <@Tamber> | And keep pushing to do impossible things? :p |
| 20:59 | <@froztbyte> | that voronoi shatter protrusion is <3 |
| 21:00 | <@froztbyte> | Tamber: yeah basically |
| 21:00 | <@froztbyte> | Tamber: go watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yTsCOy7j0M |
| 21:00 | <@froztbyte> | Tamber: for some absolutely serious mindfuck |
| 21:00 | <@Tamber> | =D |
| 21:01 | <@froztbyte> | no, seriously |
| 21:01 | <@froztbyte> | I can't even hate on the tearing |
| 21:01 | <@froztbyte> | it is just ridiculously cool |
| 21:02 | <@froztbyte> | that one you linked is pretty cool too |
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| 21:04 | <@Tamber> | =D |
| 21:05 | <@Tamber> | Wow. |
| 21:06 | <@froztbyte> | yuuup |
| 21:06 | <@froztbyte> | http://trixter.oldskool.org/2014/06/19/8088-domination-post-mortem-part-1/ if you care for more ;) |
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| 21:24 | <@celticminstrel> | I'm not really sure what to do with all those links... >_> |
| 21:24 | <@froztbyte> | click and watch! |
| 21:24 | <@froztbyte> | just read the video description in each case |
| 21:24 | <@froztbyte> | pouet's stuff allows you to download the demo, and usually links to the video too |
| 21:24 | <@froztbyte> | with information about its categories |
| 21:24 | <@celticminstrel> | Uh, so... |
| 21:25 | <@celticminstrel> | I could just click [video], then. |
| 21:25 | <@celticminstrel> | Or I could click [download] and watch it whenever. |
| 21:25 | <@froztbyte> | well, download would mean running it |
| 21:25 | <@froztbyte> | so you'd have to have sufficient gear for that |
| 21:25 | <@froztbyte> | (some of these things can eat a machine up) |
| 21:26 | <@celticminstrel> | Oh, that's actually probably a bad idea then.+ |
| 21:26 | <@froztbyte> | (in 64k, you have no space for assets, so it's all procedural, and generated at runtime. which means a lot of RAM sometimes) |
| 21:26 | <@celticminstrel> | If it needs really good graphics cards at least. |
| 21:26 | <@froztbyte> | that depends |
| 21:27 | <@froztbyte> | some of the newer-category demos basically rely on pulling funky tricks in hardware |
| 21:27 | <@froztbyte> | or special APIs that don't exist on other things |
| 21:27 | <@froztbyte> | I suspect you could pretty easily run anything up to 2011/2012 though |
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| 21:28 | <@celticminstrel> | I'll stick with the videos, I guess. |
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