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| 04:42 | | * Vornicus writes unit tests for a custom, tiny parser. |
| 04:44 | <~Vornicus> | I really prefer writing this lower level stuff. |
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| 04:45 | <~Vornicus> | I honestly kind of hate writing xml manglers and database wranglers and web service stranglers |
| 04:49 | <@Reiv> | Most of that should be out of a webkit, shouldn't it~ |
| 04:51 | < simon_> | has anyone here cared about the difference between "use cases" and extreme programming's "user stories"? |
| 04:52 | < simon_> | the latter seems to have some restrictions that I don't know the value of. |
| 04:53 | <~Vornicus> | Reiv: well, *yes*, but I still have to tell the kit what to do |
| 04:54 | <@Reiv> | Vorn, Yeah, you're at System Administrator level, rather than Deep Code |
| 04:54 | <@Reiv> | Keep up the Code. It'll play out in the long run. |
| 04:54 | <@Reiv> | And if you don't you end up like me, and I'm a professional SQL writer. Who doesn't even do dynamic SQL. Aheh. >_> |
| 04:54 | <~Vornicus> | No, most of I do is, in fact, code. |
| 04:55 | <~Vornicus> | It's just the kind of code I don't like |
| 05:03 | <@Reiv> | Keep up the practice on the stuff you do, then |
| 05:03 | <@Reiv> | (This will actually demand discipline; I failed and now I rue my failure) |
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| 05:13 | <~Vornicus> | Right now I'm looking at code I havent' seen in two months and wondering where the hell I was |
| 05:20 | <~Vornicus> | And then there's the whole "there's huge segments of the system that are supposed to do things that I've never done before and I have no idea what they should look like and I've been avoiding them like the plague" |
| 05:26 | <~Vornicus> | Which bodes ill for finishing. :( |
| 05:29 | <@Reiv> | What on earth kind of webdev are you doing and does anyone else have a clue either |
| 05:29 | <@Reiv> | Are you trying to build things from first principles again~ |
| 05:32 | <~Vornicus> | Reiv: No, this is two projects |
| 05:32 | <@Reiv> | ah, right then |
| 05:32 | <~Vornicus> | The webdev is work; among other things I am constructing requests to credit rating agencies and loading their results into a database. Which involves among other things handling "did you mean..." responses |
| 05:32 | <~Vornicus> | Which is terrible. |
| 05:33 | <~Vornicus> | The stuff I'm working on for home is a Power Grid, uh, thing |
| 05:33 | <~Vornicus> | Which I have about half the model for, including one of the hardest (and most-rarely-called) pieces of code |
| 05:37 | <~Vornicus> | But then i have to write the control systems, and those are not something I'm used to making |
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| 05:56 | <~Vornicus> | so there's basic "which user is this" security that I literally have no idea how to do |
| 06:13 | <@Reiv> | Surely there are plugins for that |
| 06:24 | <~Vornicus> | maybe. Idunno, I have no idea what I'm looking for. |
| 07:04 | <@Azash> | http://blogs.msdn.com/b/vcblog/archive/2014/06/10/the-great-crt-refactoring.aspx ?PageIndex=2 |
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| 07:04 | <@Azash> | Ctrl-f 142 |
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| 16:18 | | * Azash applies foot to Marvin |
| 16:18 | <@celticminstrel> | Marvin? |
| 16:29 | <@Azash> | 17:12 [nightstar] Marvin [stats@Stats.Nightstar.Net] requested CTCP VERSION from Azash: |
| 16:29 | <@Azash> | Does that at every netsplit |
| 16:29 | <@Azash> | Understandable but noticeable |
| 16:39 | <@celticminstrel> | Ah, it's a CTCP, so I don't see it. |
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| 18:12 | | * gnolam eyes a website's twitter feed. |
| 18:12 | <@gnolam> | Guess they've had a new XSS vulnerability. |
| 18:14 | <@gnolam> | Given that I'm pretty sure that nobody would tweet "<script class="xss">$('.xss').parents().eq(1).find('a').eq(1).click();$('[data-action=re tweet]').click();alert('XSS in Tweetdeck')</script>" voluntarily. :P |
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| 18:25 | <@RchrdB> | gnolam, and yet ~39k people have tweeted it. =) |
| 18:25 | <@RchrdB> | gnolam, the tweet is here: https://twitter.com/derGeruhn/status/476764918763749376 |
| 18:26 | <@RchrdB> | The "Tweetdeck" application has the world's second easiest XSS vulnerability. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/06/11/twitter_tweetdeck_xss_vuln/ |
| 18:26 | <@RchrdB> | (the only thing that makes it even slightly awkward to use is the length limit, but you can just link to a longer script anyway) |
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| 21:31 | <&McMartin> | http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/06/its-official-malicious-hackers-have-crap py-password-hygiene-too/ |
| 21:34 | <@Azash> | We have a saying in Finland |
| 21:34 | <@Azash> | The shoemaker's children are barefoot |
| 21:34 | <&McMartin> | Heh |
| 21:34 | <&McMartin> | In this case, though, it's more like "everyone is barefoot" |
| 21:35 | <@Azash> | Truth |
| 21:35 | <&McMartin> | Or maybe "there's a cobbler on every street corner, but everyone is barefoot." |
| 21:35 | <&McMartin> | It's kind of mysterious~ |
| 21:35 | <@Azash> | Cobbler implies they weren't barefoot at some point though |
| 21:35 | <@Azash> | :P |
| 21:36 | | * McMartin ponders this. |
| 21:36 | <&McMartin> | Non-timesharing systems under physical guard? |
| 21:36 | <&McMartin> | I bet we had a few of those up until the 1970s or so |
| 21:38 | <@gnolam> | Well. Would you really care if someone else had access to your zombie? |
| 21:39 | <@Tamber> | Well, that depends on how much money you're making from renting it out~ |
| 21:40 | <&McMartin> | ^++ |
| 21:40 | <@Tamber> | Plus, this is likely to be only the low hanging skiddie fruit. |
| 21:41 | <&McMartin> | I'm starting to wonder if there's any serious players inbetween the skiddies and the actual intelligence agencies. |
| 21:41 | <&McMartin> | I guess whoever's responsible for the ransomware that actually works. |
| 21:45 | <@TheWatcher> | I think it goes 'skiddies -> mafia/organised crime -> intelligence agencies' |
| 21:45 | <@TheWatcher> | With some grey area at the right end there.... |
| 21:46 | <@Tamber> | It's all grey area. |
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