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| 01:55 | | * McMartin flips through the Ophis manual looking for what needs to be edited/changed for 2.1 |
| 01:55 | <&McMartin> | Rather a lot, it turns out |
| 01:56 | <&McMartin> | 14 action items, one of which is "write an extra chapter for it" |
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| 02:05 | | * McMartin reads backscroll |
| 02:05 | <&McMartin> | A reminder to all present that Python is *unusual* in thinking that classes not specifying their interfaces is a bad thing to avoid. Even other duck-typed languages don't embrace it to the degree Python does. |
| 02:05 | <&McMartin> | s/not specifying/specifying/ |
| 02:07 | <@RchrdB> | Python's docstrings are, IMHO, the single best thing about it. |
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| 07:42 | <&McMartin> | Oof, it' sbeen awhile since I've used Docbook |
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| 08:18 | <~Vornicus> | Docbook for some reason reminds me of an old thing that was very popular for Mac: it was a program that let you make applications that were books |
| 08:19 | <~Vornicus> | nowadays of course you'd package such a thing as an ebook, or as a bunch of HTML files, or |
| 08:19 | < luke> | Like one of those 'click to turn the page' kind of things? |
| 08:22 | <&McMartin> | One of the things that Docbook can create is a bunch of HTML pages! |
| 08:22 | <&McMartin> | It can also make a handsome PDF, though |
| 08:28 | < luke> | I've certainly never heard a PDF be called hansome before. |
| 08:31 | <&McMartin> | Docbook is IIRC what O'Reilly uses to typeset its stuff with |
| 08:31 | <&McMartin> | The default backends are TeX/DVI/PS/PDF, plaintext, and HTML. |
| 08:32 | < luke> | Is there an inbuilt function for drawing an animal cover? |
| 08:33 | <&McMartin> | I haven't found it. I think that might be part of their special sauce. |
| 08:36 | < luke> | Damn |
| 08:40 | <&McMartin> | It's basically a somewhat clumsier HTML |
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| 09:16 | <~Vornicus> | DocMaker i think was the name |
| 09:16 | <~Vornicus> | but yeah, lots of games came with DocMaker-generated document applications |
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| 14:46 | <@gnolam> | ... well that was easier than expected. |
| 14:47 | < [R]> | What was? |
| 14:49 | <@gnolam> | I was expecting that converting VB timestamps (doubles representing fractional days since, for some reason, 1899-12-30 00:00) into something usable would be painful. |
| 14:50 | <@gnolam> | Especially given Microsoft's history with leap years. |
| 14:52 | <@gnolam> | But no. A datetime object representing the epoch + the VB Date as a timedelta and that was it. |
| 15:11 | <~Vornicus> | (the reason it is 1899-12-30 is probably precisely because of that history with leapyears) |
| 15:14 | <@gnolam> | ... how? |
| 15:15 | <~Vornicus> | well okay that accounts for one of the two days |
| 15:16 | <~Vornicus> | I think the other might be one-indexing. |
| 15:17 | < luke> | They just couldn't use 1970-01-01, could they. |
| 15:19 | <~Vornicus> | So imagine for a moment: you're in a language that decides to start array indices at 1; you're also under the impression that 1900 february 29 actually exists; and you decide that 1900 january 1 is a good start date. |
| 15:21 | < luke> | I'd rather imagine I'm brainf*ck. That's a good, solid langauge. No date problems to worry about. |
| 15:21 | <~Vornicus> | If your language now changes under you (say you wrote your date code for Excel, which 1-indexes, but now you're in VB which 0-indexes) you've got to step it back one, so that your "start date" is 1899 dec 31 |
| 15:22 | <~Vornicus> | And then you realize you've been an idiot and 1900 feb 29 doesn't exist; to keep it consistent for the vast majority of dates, you must /again/ step it back one, so your start date is 1899 dec 30 |
| 15:22 | <~Vornicus> | --the first didn't change any dates whatsoever; it's just that 1900 jan 1 was chosen to be day 1 |
| 15:27 | <~Vornicus> | and with that silliness explained, slep for really |
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| 19:07 | < Julius> | Some years ago, I saw a suggestion for Nightstar and Starlink to merge, under the name Starstar. |
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