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| 01:21 | | * McMartin eyes the shit out of http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Distribution |
| 01:21 | <&McMartin> | Enjoy your Internet experience, worry-free |
| 01:21 | <&McMartin> | Forget worrying about viruses and spyware. openSUSE has none, period. |
| 01:21 | < [R]> | lol |
| 01:22 | < [R]> | Because rootkits don't exist |
| 01:22 | <&McMartin> | Does OpenSuse only run lynx, because JS keyloggers work even in elinks |
| 01:22 | < [R]> | elinks does JS? |
| 01:22 | <&McMartin> | It does! |
| 01:22 | < [R]> | Coo |
| 01:22 | < [R]> | I guess with spidermonkey and V8 being libraries now... |
| 01:22 | <&McMartin> | I don't think it does the full DOM (though it might), but I recall some of my test scripts actually working. |
| 01:22 | <&McMartin> | Yeah |
| 01:23 | <&McMartin> | I think it's just that |
| 01:23 | | * McMartin goes to see if his Most Tedious Walkthrough Ever works. |
| 01:23 | < [R]> | Tedious Walkthrough? |
| 01:23 | <&McMartin> | Oh, hm, maybe not |
| 01:23 | < [R]> | We're talking like MS Press level tedious here? |
| 01:23 | <&McMartin> | https://hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu/~mcmartin/if/solutions/nmt.html isn't working for me. |
| 01:23 | <&McMartin> | Judge for yourself |
| 01:24 | < [R]> | Ah, not as tedious then |
| 01:25 | <&McMartin> | Aha |
| 01:25 | < [R]> | "PUT WHITE PLATE ON TABLE" could easily be broken down into 8 other steps. |
| 01:25 | <&McMartin> | ECMAscript is a set of options in elinks, and it looks like I've got it disabled here. |
| 01:27 | < [R]> | In a manual for System Administrators; MS Press decided that opening the run menu had to be 9 steps. |
| 01:27 | < [R]> | In every single example. |
| 01:27 | <&McMartin> | (1) Remove finger from nose |
| 01:28 | < [R]> | That was my major complaint about the MS classes |
| 01:28 | <&McMartin> | Heh |
| 01:28 | < [R]> | All the books assumed you were mentally challenged. |
| 01:28 | <&McMartin> | And here is some JS that *won't* work in elinks: https://hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu/~mcmartin/CCA.html |
| 01:29 | < [R]> | Hmm... I wonder why that won't work. |
| 01:29 | < [R]> | :p |
| 01:30 | <&McMartin> | That said, it seems like the toast stuff isn't working either. I'm just getting an blank console if I turn on JS in elinks. |
| 01:33 | <&McMartin> | (Those are to date my only significant JS programs~) |
| 01:34 | <&McMartin> | (I've been meaning to port some of the really old management games from BASIC to DHTML as a more permanent record, but doing them right turns out to remove most of the challenge of the originals~) |
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| 06:52 | | * Vornicus gets to write code that makes complicated https requests! using php! somebody kill me! |
| 06:54 | <&McMartin> | $ kill -9 Vorn |
| 07:00 | | * Vornicus doesn't even get to respond. |
| 07:04 | < luke> | You need to prevent ressurection as well: find / -name Vornicus -delete |
| 07:11 | <&McMartin> | He didn't ask to be unlinked |
| 07:12 | < luke> | It's a preventative measure |
| 07:13 | < luke> | You can never be too careful when php is involved |
| 07:41 | <~Vornicus> | I can't really argue with luke on this one |
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| 07:52 | <~Vornicus> | also now I am drowning in reference documents that don't actually describe anything, because noone can be bothered to have an up to date example. |
| 07:53 | <~Vornicus> | srsly on the first page of google results I found a thing that uses raw sockets to do http requests, what the hell. |
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| 08:16 | <@celticminstrel> | Sounds like fun! |
| 08:19 | <~Vornicus> | It's not in the slightest. |
| 08:19 | <~Vornicus> | But hey, I'm getting paid for it. |
| 08:24 | <&McMartin> | $\o/$ |
| 08:24 | <~Vornicus> | damn right |
| 08:25 | < [R]> | Vornicus: with or without the curl bindings? |
| 08:25 | <~Vornicus> | Think I've got those available. |
| 08:25 | < [R]> | Cause you may as well go directly for those :p |
| 08:26 | | * [R] wrote stupid proxies in PHP |
| 08:26 | <&McMartin> | I continue to boggle at how curl is incredibly clean and easy to use and libcurl is an endless vortex of recursive spiders |
| 08:26 | < [R]> | Haha |
| 08:27 | < [R]> | Yeah, I tried to use the C library |
| 08:27 | < [R]> | ... it was just full of WTFs |
| 08:27 | < [R]> | :/ |
| 08:28 | <~Vornicus> | The big important part -- access to the service's production system requires that I ensure that the certificate is valid including that I trust the whole chain -- and I can't figure out if curl or httpRequest actually do that for me. |
| 08:29 | <&McMartin> | Curl can be made to link against OpenSSL, so, um |
| 08:29 | <@celticminstrel> | Recursive spiders... |
| 08:29 | <&McMartin> | It kind of can do that for you |
| 08:29 | <&McMartin> | celticminstrel: Spiders that are, themselves, made of other, smaller spiders. |
| 08:29 | <&McMartin> | It's spiders all the way down |
| 08:29 | < [R]> | <[R]> zb3: ssl certificate validation libcurl? |
| 08:29 | < [R]> | <zb3> http://curl.haxx.se/docs/sslcerts.html - cURL - Details on Server SSL Certificates |
| 08:29 | < [R]> | ? |
| 08:29 | <@celticminstrel> | I think I liked the turtles better. |
| 08:29 | <&McMartin> | R: Sounds good |
| 08:30 | <&McMartin> | I was mainly observing "Well, it's linking OpenSSL, so guarantees about the certificate chain are, um, somewhat untrustworthy just now, depending" >_> |
| 08:30 | <~Vornicus> | [R]: <3 |
| 08:31 | <&McMartin> | The C libraries are a huge mess and very hard to use but I cannot deny that the documentation is acceptable. |
| 08:31 | <&McMartin> | Because I and four of my co-workers have all successfully and independently used it in the past |
| 08:31 | <&McMartin> | The part where curl is noticably lacking is if you need to do custom cookie processing |
| 08:32 | <~Vornicus> | http://us1.php.net/manual/en/book.curl.php this thing is the curl you're talking about, for php? |
| 08:32 | <~Vornicus> | I don't, thank all the saints and angels. |
| 08:32 | <&McMartin> | Your options are basically "just do everything yourself" and "I will need to hand-write my own cookie jar and header parser from scratch" |
| 08:32 | <&McMartin> | Er, the first option is "just leave everything to curl forever" |
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| 09:56 | | * Vornicus gets the things he needs to do tonight done. |
| 10:13 | <~Vornicus> | [R]: I need to thank you, you've turned my evening's work from a 4-hour hairpulling session to actually getting stuff done. |
| 10:14 | < [R]> | np |
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| 12:43 | <@Azash> | Reading documentation https://i.imgur.com/rEZ1J4e.gif |
| 13:06 | <@gnolam> | https://storify.com/AlecMuffett/a-polite-request-to-ee-to-enable-the-porn-on-my- wi |
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| 13:32 | <@Azash> | http://securityreactions.tumblr.com/post/53359489085/when-im-trying-to-find-an-o verflow |
| 13:36 | <@froztbyte> | Hahaha |
| 13:36 | <@froztbyte> | That's a better one than usual :) |
| 13:40 | <@Azash> | Also http://securityreactions.tumblr.com/post/51469562002/bypassing-client-side-valid ation |
| 13:45 | <@froztbyte> | Heh |
| 13:45 | <@froztbyte> | That's from a British series, I think? |
| 13:48 | <@Azash> | froztbyte: From this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzD01Hu1nPs |
| 13:48 | <@Azash> | One of the best ever made IMHO |
| 13:48 | <@Azash> | I can't remember which episode but only six were made (before it got cancelled for being too fast-paced for audiences at the time) |
| 13:48 | < Julius> | What does "Must be activated with an Americas-region SIM" in context of a smartphone? |
| 13:49 | <@froztbyte> | "in colour" ahahahahhaha |
| 13:49 | < Julius> | This is supposed to be for someone in Norway, so I guess the issue is "will it work in Norway too"? |
| 13:49 | <@froztbyte> | Julius: so uh. Sim cards can be locked to the handset |
| 13:49 | <@froztbyte> | Depending on the operator |
| 13:49 | <@Azash> | froztbyte: Yeah it was a spoof of all those 50's cop shows like M Squad |
| 13:50 | <@froztbyte> | So the context of that question makes a difference |
| 13:50 | <@froztbyte> | Are you buying it in the states? Or travelling to |
| 13:50 | <@froztbyte> | ?* |
| 13:51 | < Julius> | My boss wants to buy it off Amazon and wants to know if this will work for him in Norway, if there is some way to make it work for him. Like borrow some American's thingamajig and activate it and then use with a Norwegian card. |
| 13:52 | <@froztbyte> | Main first thing to check: gsm or cdma |
| 13:52 | <&jeroud> | GSM if it mentions SIM. |
| 13:52 | < Julius> | http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Galaxy-G-900H-16GB-International/dp/B00J4TK4CC/ref =cm_cr_pr_product_top |
| 13:53 | <@froztbyte> | After that, it might have operator crapware on it that demands to be "activated" |
| 13:53 | <@froztbyte> | Which can be as easy as just reflashing the thing |
| 13:53 | <&jeroud> | CDMA has a different identification mechanism. |
| 13:54 | <@froztbyte> | Didn't actually know that (because I've been fortunate enough to not have to care) |
| 13:57 | < Julius> | So... will it work? |
| 13:58 | <@froztbyte> | Up to you to figure out with the relevant pieces of information you now have |
| 13:58 | < Julius> | I'm uncertain what 'activation' means. I'm uncertain what 'Americas-region SIM' means. |
| 14:03 | <&jeroud> | Julius: The second thing probably means that it must be a SIM with a North American phone number attached. |
| 14:07 | < Julius> | OK, so it sounds useless for non-American users. |
| 14:08 | <&jeroud> | Julius: If you can reflash it with standard firmware you should be okay. |
| 14:09 | <&jeroud> | But that might require either activation or hackery. |
| 14:09 | < Julius> | Mhm. |
| 14:09 | <&jeroud> | What makes that one better than the Norwegian equivalent? |
| 14:09 | < Julius> | Price. |
| 14:10 | <&jeroud> | If it's just cheaper, make sure you account for shipping and import duties. |
| 14:10 | < Julius> | Boss is regularly in America, so he just has it delivered to the hotel. |
| 14:10 | <&jeroud> | Ah. |
| 14:11 | <&jeroud> | Then he can probably activate it while he's there. |
| 14:11 | <&jeroud> | If all else fails, root it and install a new OS. |
| 14:12 | < Julius> | What does activation mean? I'm pretty sure he only has a Norwegian phone now, and Norwegian SIM card or whatever. If activation is required once, but thereafter you can swap out the card bits, and use it normally, why doesn't the seller do it and sell it already activated? |
| 14:13 | < Syka> | Julius: you want an "unlocked" handset |
| 14:13 | < Syka> | jeroud: and no |
| 14:13 | < Syka> | this is a weird .us/.au thing |
| 14:13 | < Julius> | Syka: http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Galaxy-G-900H-16GB-International/dp/B00J4TK4CC/ref =cm_cd_ql_qh_dp_t |
| 14:13 | < Julius> | It says "factory unlocked". |
| 14:14 | < Syka> | "no warranty" lolwat |
| 14:16 | < Syka> | this sounds like a dodgy seller |
| 14:16 | < Syka> | i think |
| 14:16 | < Syka> | idk |
| 14:16 | < Syka> | Julius: if it is unlocked it SHOULD work |
| 14:16 | < Julius> | I'm going to disadvise purchase on general principles. If we can't make heads or tails of this offer, then I agree with your opinion on dodginess. |
| 14:16 | < Syka> | Julius: is he looking for the S5 specifically? |
| 14:17 | < Syka> | because it does have an international version |
| 14:17 | < Syka> | which, if factory unlocked, will work with any carrier it supports the bands of |
| 14:17 | < Julius> | This does say 'international' too. |
| 14:18 | < Julius> | "Samsung Galaxy S5 G-900H 16GB - No Warranty - International Version - Factory Unlocked - Black". |
| 14:18 | < Syka> | yeah |
| 14:18 | < Syka> | so, taking that, yes it should work |
| 14:18 | < Syka> | but the must be activated thing... sounds weird |
| 14:18 | <&jeroud> | The "no warranty" might be a problem. |
| 14:20 | < Syka> | well, that's true |
| 14:20 | < Syka> | samsung are a shit brand |
| 14:20 | < Syka> | Julius: looking at it, there's other sellers |
| 14:20 | < Syka> | so it might be an amazon fuckup |
| 14:20 | < Syka> | ie. someone screwed up the description |
| 14:23 | < Julius> | And if they are screwing up descriptions, offering no warranty, and writing English like an IQ 100, I think this works out to a "find other offers". |
| 14:28 | < Syka> | yep |
| 14:28 | | * Syka hugs her moto g |
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| 19:14 | <@macdjord> | Julius: 'writing English like an IQ 100'? An IQ of 100 is, definitionally, average. |
| 19:15 | < Julius> | Indeed. |
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| 19:29 | < Julius> | Hmm. Are there any remote desktop applications that do support hardware acceleration? |
| 19:29 | <@Azash> | I wouldn't think so |
| 19:30 | <@Azash> | It doesn't seem like displaying remote desktop data would be able to make much use of a GPU |
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| 20:34 | <@froztbyte> | https://imgur.com/ehTpiqF believes here, and it's legit, apparently: https://twitter.com/therealmix/status/401053779023253504 |
| 21:02 | <@gnolam> | Heh |
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| 21:26 | < simon_> | so a friend of mine is trying to feed machine instructions to his C program by modifying the return address. he's doing ./program "$(cat asm-file)" and thus risks that the bytes in asm-file will actually evaluate to shell commands that will e.g. create a shell syntax error before the program is even executed. |
| 21:27 | < simon_> | is it even possible to feed a program a binary argument without risking evaluation of the argument? |
| 21:27 | < simon_> | is there some sh/bash syntax for calling a command with literal data? |
| 21:27 | <&ToxicFrog> | Er |
| 21:27 | <&ToxicFrog> | That is what he is doing |
| 21:27 | <&ToxicFrog> | In bash, a quoted $() expansion does not re-expand the contents |
| 21:28 | <&ToxicFrog> | It may in fact not do so even without the quotes |
| 21:28 | <&ToxicFrog> | That said |
| 21:28 | < [R]> | Why is he using cat there? |
| 21:29 | <&ToxicFrog> | You cannot safely pass binary data in argv regardless of shell, because the argument strings are assumed to be null terminated. |
| 21:29 | < [R]> | Oh right, argument, not stdin |
| 21:29 | <&ToxicFrog> | He should instead modify "program" to take a filename on the command line, or read the asm from stdin |
| 21:30 | < [R]> | Also have fun with memory protection (where blocks of memory are executable while others aren't) |
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| 22:45 | <&McMartin> | R: There are standard ways to modify that |
| 22:46 | <&McMartin> | Well. There are *available* ways. They won't be *standard* per se |
| 22:46 | <&McMartin> | But you have to have some way of loading the program and distinguishing text from data in the first place. |
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