| --- Log opened Tue Apr 22 00:00:48 2014 |
| 00:16 | | JackKnife [Z@Nightstar-484uip.cust.comxnet.dk] has joined #code |
| 00:16 | | mode/#code [+o JackKnife] by ChanServ |
| 01:11 | | Vornicus [Vorn@ServerAdministrator.Nightstar.Net] has joined #code |
| 01:11 | | mode/#code [+qo Vornicus Vornicus] by ChanServ |
| 01:52 | | jeroud [sid10043@Nightstar-a1k27g.irccloud.com] has quit [Connection closed] |
| 01:52 | | jeroud [sid10043@Nightstar-a1k27g.irccloud.com] has joined #code |
| 01:52 | | mode/#code [+ao jeroud jeroud] by ChanServ |
| 01:55 | < [R]> | ErikMesoy|sleep: 1) that only adds up to like 59% or such... |
| 01:56 | < [R]> | 2) var per = %; if (per <= 9) { return 1 } if (per <= 8.1) { return 2 } ... |
| 01:58 | < [R]> | Also, point 1 is assuming that the pattern was in fact: 9^n / 10^(n-1) where n is the expected return value range |
| 01:58 | < [R]> | Also error in #2 |
| 01:58 | < [R]> | 2) var per = %; if (per -= 9 <= 0) { return 1 } if (per -= 8.1 <= 0) { return 2 } ... |
| 02:01 | < [R]> | Alternatively, loop method: var per = %; for (var n = 0; per > 0;) { ++n; per -= 9^n / 10^(n-1) } return n |
| 02:03 | < [R]> | Ugh, missed the 1 == 10% somehow |
| 02:04 | < [R]> | Eitherway, it's still only 65.1% |
| 02:09 | | Derakon_ is now known as Derakon |
| 02:09 | | mode/#code [+ao Derakon Derakon] by ChanServ |
| 02:40 | | macdjord|wurk [macdjord@Nightstar-7rac1r.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [[NS] Quit: "Too long have night and day warred, their false dichotomy plaguing this land. No more. I come now to put them both down, to usher in a new era of balance and peace. For now is the time of... /Twilight/. *And the Dusk shall Reign Eternal.*"] |
| 02:42 | | celticminstrel [celticminst@Nightstar-57p13c.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 121 seconds] |
| 02:42 | | Reivles is now known as Orthia |
| 02:50 | <~Vornicus> | Okay, interface question. I'm building a power grid clone. In this, there is the possibility that, when replacing a power plant, there will not be enough capacity in the new plant to store everything that was on the old plant. Often this can proceed without asking any questions: if there's only one possible final result, we can simply cull the resources and be done. But sometimes, there is a question as to which is best. |
| 02:51 | | celticminstrel [celticminst@Nightstar-57p13c.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #code |
| 02:51 | | mode/#code [+o celticminstrel] by ChanServ |
| 02:52 | <~Vornicus> | For instance: if I get a demand-2 hybrid power plant, it can hold 4 resources, of any combination of coal and oil. But if it is replacing a demand-3 hybrid power plant, there can be up to 6 resources on it... let's say that there are currently 3 coal and 3 oil, so I have to get rid of two. |
| 02:54 | <~Vornicus> | So here's the question: what precisely do I ask of the user? "what do you wish to discard?", or "what do you wish to keep?" |
| 03:01 | <&Derakon> | The latter. |
| 03:01 | <&Derakon> | It's technically more selections (in most situations anyway) but IMO is more intuitive. |
| 03:05 | | macdjord [macdjord@Nightstar-7rac1r.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #code |
| 03:05 | | mode/#code [+o macdjord] by ChanServ |
| 03:05 | <&ToxicFrog> | Ask the former, but phrase it as the latter - i.e. ask "what do you want to keep?", default to "everything", and don't let them escape until they have unselected a sufficient quantity of stuff. |
| 03:12 | <~Vornicus> | Actually I meant more in the, um, event response, uh, idiom. Which is to say: the game model is expecting a function to be called with the answer. |
| 03:13 | <@macdjord> | Vornicus: I can't immagine any reason that would matter. |
| 03:13 | <~Vornicus> | What I meant was TF's description is more on the end of... uh... |
| 03:13 | | Turaiel is now known as Turaiel[Offline] |
| 03:14 | <~Vornicus> | The planned interface is IRC |
| 03:14 | <~Vornicus> | I can't throw up a dialog box there. |
| 03:14 | <&ToxicFrog> | Yield, resume when you get the answer? |
| 03:17 | | Turaiel[Offline] is now known as Turaiel |
| 03:22 | <~Vornicus> | Uh |
| 03:23 | <~Vornicus> | I already have that. |
| 03:24 | <~Vornicus> | Or rather: the game object is handled by an event-handling controller, and is a state machine that knows when certain commands are allowed. |
| 03:24 | <~Vornicus> | The problem I'm trying to answer is "what should the command that decides what resources to cull and what resources to keep look like" |
| 03:25 | <@macdjord> | Vornicus: "You have (1) Oil, (2) Oil, and (3) Coal in this plant. You can keep 2 of them. Which do you want to keep?" "1" "That is not enough. You have..." "2,3" "You want to keep 1 coal and 1 oil?" "Y" "One coal and one oil kept. One oil dicarded." |
| 03:28 | <~Vornicus> | Okay so basically everybody says keep |
| 03:29 | <&Derakon> | Affirmative answers are more clear IMO. |
| 03:29 | | VirusJTG [VirusJTG@Nightstar-6i5vf7.sta.comporium.net] has quit [[NS] Quit: Program Shutting down] |
| 03:30 | | jeroud [sid10043@Nightstar-a1k27g.irccloud.com] has quit [Connection closed] |
| 03:30 | | jeroud [sid10043@Nightstar-a1k27g.irccloud.com] has joined #code |
| 03:31 | | mode/#code [+ao jeroud jeroud] by ChanServ |
| 03:51 | | Orthia [orthianz@Nightstar-3tp.juj.184.203.IP] has quit [Ping timeout: 121 seconds] |
| 04:19 | | Kindamoody[zZz] is now known as Kindamoody |
| 04:26 | | JackKnife [Z@Nightstar-484uip.cust.comxnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 121 seconds] |
| 04:30 | <@celticminstrel> | Okay, I try to draw my line properly (instead of just drawing a super-narrow triangle) and suddenly nothing appears. |
| 04:33 | | Turaiel is now known as Turaiel[Offline] |
| 04:34 | <@celticminstrel> | Blah. |
| 04:35 | <@celticminstrel> | Maybe... maybe it's setting the fill colour instead of the line colour... |
| 04:40 | | Orthia [orthianz@Nightstar-3tp.juj.184.203.IP] has joined #code |
| 04:40 | | mode/#code [+o Orthia] by ChanServ |
| 04:46 | <@celticminstrel> | Or maybe not. It looks like there might not even be separate line and fill colours. |
| 05:05 | | ToxicFrog [ToxicFrog@ServerAdministrator.Nightstar.Net] has quit [Operation timed out] |
| 05:07 | | Turaiel[Offline] is now known as Turaiel |
| 05:11 | <@celticminstrel> | ...even when I use OpenGL directly in direct mode, it's not working. |
| 05:12 | <~Vornicus> | got your line modes set up right? width and all that? |
| 05:12 | <@celticminstrel> | Uh. I did set the line width. |
| 05:13 | <@celticminstrel> | To 2.0, I think. |
| 05:14 | <@celticminstrel> | Yeah. |
| 05:14 | | ToxicFrog [ToxicFrog@ServerAdministrator.Nightstar.Net] has joined #code |
| 05:14 | | mode/#code [+ao ToxicFrog ToxicFrog] by ChanServ |
| 05:26 | <@celticminstrel> | Oh. The issue was totally unrelated to the line drawing. (It was the blending mode.) |
| 05:30 | <@celticminstrel> | On an unrelated note... Firefox seems to have lost my toolbar. Again. |
| 05:34 | <@ErikMesoy|sleep> | [R]: I did say "and so forth". |
| 05:34 | <@ErikMesoy|sleep> | 10% chance of stopping each increment |
| 05:34 | | ErikMesoy|sleep is now known as ErikMesoy |
| 05:37 | < [R]> | ? |
| 05:38 | < [R]> | Eitherway, optimal method is likely a hard-coded if/else chain ordered by most likely to least. |
| 05:44 | <@ErikMesoy> | i = 1; while True { n = randint(1,10); if n==10 break; else i++; } return i |
| 05:44 | <@ErikMesoy> | this has a 10% chance of returning 1 (stops on first pass), 9% chance of returning 2, etc. |
| 05:48 | <@ErikMesoy> | I'm pretty sure this loop works out to the if/else chain you mention. |
| 05:52 | < [R]> | It has a few more instructions :p |
| 05:58 | < [R]> | Eitherway, night |
| 06:08 | | HotShot [fake@Nightstar-l2nbvd.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [[NS] Quit: Trespassers will be shot, Survivers will be shot again! [Time wasted on Mirc 21hrs 16mins 8secs]] |
| 06:09 | | HotShot [fake@Nightstar-l2nbvd.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #code |
| 06:16 | <@macdjord> | [R]: DOes it have to be 10%? If 50% is acceptable: |
| 06:16 | <@macdjord> | int rand_int = 0, value = 0; |
| 06:16 | <@macdjord> | while(!rand_int = rand()){ |
| 06:16 | <@macdjord> | value += SIZEOF(int) |
| 06:17 | <@macdjord> | } |
| 06:17 | <@macdjord> | while(rand_int){ |
| 06:17 | <@macdjord> | value++; |
| 06:17 | <@macdjord> | rand_int >>= 1; |
| 06:17 | <@macdjord> | } |
| 06:18 | <@macdjord> | Wait, make the second loop be 'while(!(rand_int & 1)){' |
| 06:26 | <@celticminstrel> | Also make the sizeof lowercase. |
| 06:27 | <@celticminstrel> | If that's C, anyway. |
| 06:33 | <@macdjord> | celticminstrel: There are several issues with it that need to be fixed for production, but none other than the one I mentioned change the meaning. |
| 06:38 | <~Vornicus> | what are we doing? geometric variate? |
| 06:42 | | * macdjord point up a page or so |
| 06:43 | | Turaiel is now known as Turaiel[Offline] |
| 06:45 | <@ErikMesoy> | I'm trying to generate by non-terrible means a distribution that starts at 1, has 90% chance of incrementing each step. |
| 06:45 | <~Vornicus> | Geometric variate. |
| 06:45 | <@macdjord> | Vornicus: No idea how to work it for reductions that are not powers of two, though. |
| 06:45 | <@ErikMesoy> | So returns 10% 1, 9% 2, 8.1% 3, 7.29% 4, and so forth. |
| 06:46 | <@macdjord> | Ah! |
| 06:47 | <~Vornicus> | Easy. |
| 06:47 | <~Vornicus> | Given a float random: int(log(random())/log(0.9)) + 1 |
| 06:47 | <@ErikMesoy> | Ooooh. |
| 06:47 | <@ErikMesoy> | Clever. |
| 06:48 | | RchrdB [RichardB@Nightstar-c6u.vd5.170.83.IP] has quit [[NS] Quit: Gone.] |
| 06:48 | <@macdjord> | Yay for Vorn the Magic Math Man. |
| 06:48 | <@macdjord> | Well, Squid. |
| 06:48 | <~Vornicus> | mmmmmmight wanna switch to 1-random actually |
| 06:49 | <~Vornicus> | (you can get 0 out of random() but not 1; in this case, 1 is okay, but 0 gives you divide by 0) |
| 06:50 | <@ErikMesoy> | random()+1/maxint :P |
| 06:50 | <~Vornicus> | 1-random() works better |
| 06:50 | <@ErikMesoy> | Yes. |
| 06:50 | <@macdjord> | Vornicus: Actually, I think you'd be better off sticking with random and just checking for 0. floats retain precision as they approach 0 but lose it as they approach 1. |
| 06:51 | | RchrdB [RichardB@Nightstar-c6u.vd5.170.83.IP] has joined #code |
| 06:52 | <~Vornicus> | This isn't as cool as you'd hope, unfortunately. Actually... |
| 06:52 | | macdjord is now known as macdjord|slep |
| 06:53 | | himi [fow035@Nightstar-v37cpe.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 121 seconds] |
| 06:53 | <@ErikMesoy> | or cheat with a not_log() function that returns 0 for 0 and otherwise returns regular log() |
| 06:55 | <~Vornicus> | Might work too. |
| 07:15 | <~Vornicus> | http://imgur.com/NscVhvP anyway. |
| 07:17 | <~Vornicus> | I should add confidence intervals or something but those get Weird. |
| 07:19 | | himi [fow035@Nightstar-v37cpe.internode.on.net] has joined #code |
| 07:19 | | mode/#code [+o himi] by ChanServ |
| 07:24 | | celticminstrel [celticminst@Nightstar-57p13c.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [[NS] Quit: And lo! The computer falls into a deep sleep, to awake again some other day!] |
| 08:08 | <@Azash> | http://www.myce.com/news/microsoft-onedrive-for-business-modifies-files-as-it-sy ncs-71168/ |
| 08:26 | | AverageJoe [evil1@Nightstar-fb1kt4.ph.cox.net] has joined #code |
| 09:04 | | Kindamoody is now known as Kindamoody|out |
| 09:06 | | AverageJoe [evil1@Nightstar-fb1kt4.ph.cox.net] has quit [[NS] Quit: Leaving] |
| 09:44 | | JackKnife [Z@Nightstar-484uip.cust.comxnet.dk] has joined #code |
| 09:44 | | mode/#code [+o JackKnife] by ChanServ |
| 10:55 | | Orthia is now known as Reivles |
| 11:10 | | himi [fow035@Nightstar-v37cpe.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 121 seconds] |
| 11:14 | | macdjord|slep [macdjord@Nightstar-7rac1r.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 121 seconds] |
| 11:21 | | macdjord|slep [macdjord@Nightstar-7rac1r.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #code |
| 11:21 | | mode/#code [+o macdjord|slep] by ChanServ |
| 11:23 | | himi [fow035@Nightstar-v37cpe.internode.on.net] has joined #code |
| 11:23 | | mode/#code [+o himi] by ChanServ |
| 11:33 | | Vornicus [Vorn@ServerAdministrator.Nightstar.Net] has quit [Connection closed] |
| 11:33 | | Vornicus [Vorn@ServerAdministrator.Nightstar.Net] has joined #code |
| 11:33 | | mode/#code [+qo Vornicus Vornicus] by ChanServ |
| 11:52 | <@Tarinaky> | Caption, "I have found a solution to my terrible docking skills" |
| 11:52 | <@Tarinaky> | http://i.imgur.com/zgYtr0K.png |
| 11:53 | <@Azash> | This sounds NSFW |
| 11:54 | <@Tarinaky> | It isn't. |
| 11:59 | | * TheWatcher eyes that, ...s |
| 12:00 | <@TheWatcher> | I belive the only appropriate response to that is "I say, steady on" |
| 12:02 | | Vornicus [Vorn@ServerAdministrator.Nightstar.Net] has quit [[NS] Quit: Leaving] |
| 12:07 | | VirusJTG [VirusJTG@Nightstar-6i5vf7.sta.comporium.net] has joined #code |
| 12:56 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[d00m] |
| 12:58 | | Syka [the@Nightstar-3j1.p6c.166.101.IP] has joined #code |
| 12:59 | | Syka is now known as NSGuest840 |
| 13:02 | | NSGuest840 is now known as Syk |
| 13:38 | | macdjord|slep is now known as macdjord|wurk |
| 14:03 | | mode/#code [+o RchrdB] by ChanServ |
| 14:25 | < HotShot> | lol hows that help |
| 15:12 | | celticminstrel [celticminst@Nightstar-57p13c.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #code |
| 15:13 | | mode/#code [+o celticminstrel] by ChanServ |
| 15:49 | | Syk [the@Nightstar-3j1.p6c.166.101.IP] has quit [[NS] Quit: lolbed] |
| 15:52 | <&ToxicFrog> | HotShot: means you don't need to aim as precisely because everywhere in that grid is a docking port. |
| 16:14 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[afk] |
| 17:06 | | AnnoDomini is now known as Julius |
| 17:29 | | Turaiel[Offline] is now known as Turaiel |
| 17:57 | | Turaiel is now known as Turaiel[Offline] |
| 17:59 | | Turaiel[Offline] is now known as Turaiel |
| 17:59 | <@Alek> | Azash, scary. real scary. |
| 18:46 | <@celticminstrel> | I feel like it might be a bad idea to continue to hold 50 or more images in memory even after they've been transferred into textures (and thus are presumably on the graphics card). |
| 18:47 | <@celticminstrel> | My current implementation of the resource manager never frees a resource once it's been loaded (unless explicitly asked to, or if it detects the presence of a new override). |
| 18:50 | < froztbyte> | https://github.com/blog/1823-results-of-the-github-investigation |
| 19:09 | | Kindamoody|out is now known as Kindamoody |
| 19:18 | | gnolam [lenin@Nightstar-lgrapr.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #code |
| 19:18 | | mode/#code [+o gnolam] by ChanServ |
| 19:39 | | Turaiel is now known as Turaiel[Offline] |
| 19:51 | | You're now known as TheWatcher |
| 20:12 | | Kindamoody is now known as Kindamoody[zZz] |
| 20:35 | | Julius is now known as AnnoDomini |
| 20:51 | | Turaiel[Offline] is now known as Turaiel |
| 21:24 | | JackKnife [Z@Nightstar-484uip.cust.comxnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 121 seconds] |
| 21:27 | | himi [fow035@Nightstar-v37cpe.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 121 seconds] |
| 21:31 | | Vornicus [vorn@ServerAdministrator.Nightstar.Net] has joined #code |
| 21:31 | | mode/#code [+qo Vornicus Vornicus] by ChanServ |
| 21:39 | | himi [fow035@Nightstar-v37cpe.internode.on.net] has joined #code |
| 21:39 | | mode/#code [+o himi] by ChanServ |
| 21:44 | | JackKnife [Z@Nightstar-484uip.cust.comxnet.dk] has joined #code |
| 21:44 | | mode/#code [+o JackKnife] by ChanServ |
| 21:50 | <&jerith> | https://twitter.com/researcheneur/status/454218273253388288/photo/1 |
| 22:24 | | * Vornicus thinks vaguely at depixel... thinks it may be possible to actually get an exact value for total curvature. maybe. |
| 23:13 | | Reivles [orthianz@Nightstar-3tp.juj.184.203.IP] has quit [Ping timeout: 121 seconds] |
| 23:24 | <~Vornicus> | uch. looked ahain at the formula. never mind. |
| 23:27 | | Orthia [orthianz@Nightstar-3tp.juj.184.203.IP] has joined #code |
| 23:27 | | mode/#code [+o Orthia] by ChanServ |
| 23:29 | | Vornicus [vorn@ServerAdministrator.Nightstar.Net] has quit [[NS] Quit: Leaving] |
| 23:47 | | Orthia [orthianz@Nightstar-3tp.juj.184.203.IP] has quit [Ping timeout: 121 seconds] |
| --- Log closed Wed Apr 23 00:00:04 2014 |