| --- Log opened Thu Apr 10 00:00:37 2014 |
| 00:01 | | * AnnoDomini is pleased! The recursive function works! |
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| 00:16 | <@AnnoDomini> | Yay, binary systems work! |
| 00:16 | <@AnnoDomini> | Though I'm quite perplexed about that errant moon... |
| 00:16 | <@AnnoDomini> | (Inb4 that's no moon.) |
| 00:18 | <@AnnoDomini> | The drawing function draws it, therefore it can be found in the tree. But it seems to be orbiting an arbitrary point in the system. |
| 00:19 | <@AnnoDomini> | Hmm. It's supposed to be the moon of the planet that's orbiting the second star. |
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| 00:27 | <@Namegduf> | Just wrote "git add ../../.git" when I meant .gitignore by accident, paused for a minute, and wondered what, exactly, I just did. Thankfully it specifically filters it. |
| 00:31 | <@AnnoDomini> | Not familiar enough with git. Explain? |
| 00:34 | <~Vornicus> | .git is the special folder that contains git's versioning information. |
| 00:34 | <@AnnoDomini> | Yes, and? |
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| 00:34 | <~Vornicus> | So trying to include it, itself, in the version control, is redundant and possibly exponential |
| 00:34 | <@AnnoDomini> | I see. |
| 00:34 | <~Vornicus> | fortunately git knows better |
| 00:35 | <~Vornicus> | .gitignore is a special file that git uses to filter file results for things like status and add so that things don't get versioned, or complained about that they're unversioned. |
| 00:36 | <~Vornicus> | You generally want that to be version-controlled though - among other things it makes it so build products and autosaves don't get accidentally added to the repository |
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| 01:13 | <@AnnoDomini> | Yay, largely arbitrary star systems being generated and displayed! |
| 01:15 | <@AnnoDomini> | Though occassinally, I still get lone moons just floating around. |
| 01:49 | | * AnnoDomini implements labelling of bodies, finds that there are more problems than he thought. |
| 01:49 | <@AnnoDomini> | Moons tend to be fucked. I am seeing lots of moonlabels next to the sun for some reason. |
| 01:50 | <@AnnoDomini> | Or that might be because I'm a moron. |
| 01:51 | <@AnnoDomini> | Yes. Now that I've fixed that silly bug, moons have their labels in the proper places. |
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| 01:59 | <@AnnoDomini> | Aaaah. I think I see. |
| 02:00 | <@AnnoDomini> | In a *nary configuration, the moon of a non-primary star is shows as orbiting a point that would be the planet it is orbiting if that planet were to orbit the primary star. |
| 02:18 | <@AnnoDomini> | http://i.imgur.com/BL46JHT.png |
| 02:18 | | * AnnoDomini fixes the moon thing. |
| 02:19 | <@AnnoDomini> | Welp. I'm going to bed. |
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| 03:03 | <@celticminstrel> | Whee, monster commits. |
| 03:04 | <&McMartin> | rar |
| 03:05 | <@celticminstrel> | That sounds like a terrible idea. |
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| 05:25 | <@celticminstrel> | Whee, I got this to work by piping xmllint's output through a sed. |
| 05:27 | <@celticminstrel> | Net result: Xcode's build log sees the errors and clicking an error takes me to the place. |
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| 05:36 | <@celticminstrel> | Wait, .gitignore is honoured in subdirectories? |
| 05:37 | <~Vornicus> | wouldn't surprise me. |
| 05:38 | <@celticminstrel> | I accidentally made one in a subdirectory to ignore all the XCode junk files, and they're certainly not showing up in git status. |
| 05:38 | <~Vornicus> | I mean you might have a directory full of auto-generated .c files |
| 05:39 | <~Vornicus> | Which you'd want to ignore because they're generated just before the build -- but the rest of your project's in C and that means good times all around. |
| 05:40 | <@celticminstrel> | Well, you can do globby things in .gitignore though. |
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| 13:39 | <@Azash> | What was that old story about a company that accidentally rm -rf'd / and they could only use the tools they had in memory to rebuild the whole system due to lack of backups? |
| 13:40 | <@celticminstrel> | Normally if you tried that you'd get permission denied, right? |
| 13:41 | <@Azash> | Obviously you need to be root in any case |
| 13:41 | <@Azash> | You used to be able to do that, though nowadays you need a special parameter or do /* instead |
| 13:41 | <@celticminstrel> | Hm? |
| 13:41 | <@Azash> | Anyway it was from a collection of short IT horror stories |
| 13:41 | <@Azash> | And I can't remember the name |
| 13:42 | <@celticminstrel> | Used to be able to do what? |
| 13:42 | <@Azash> | rm -rf / |
| 13:42 | <@celticminstrel> | You mean rm added a special case for it? |
| 13:42 | <@Azash> | rm --no-preserve-root, IIRC |
| 13:42 | <@celticminstrel> | Because rm -rf /random/dir/ works. |
| 13:42 | < [R]> | Only GNU core-utils |
| 13:42 | <@Azash> | Otherwise it fails |
| 13:42 | <@Azash> | celticminstrel: Special case for / where you need --no-preserve-root to do it |
| 13:42 | < [R]> | Others realized the entire thing was stupid and did more damage in the mid run. |
| 13:42 | <@Azash> | However rm -rf /* is acceptable due to bash completion |
| 13:43 | <@Azash> | [R]: Sounds like the one I remember |
| 13:43 | <@Azash> | Do you recall the source? |
| 13:43 | <@Azash> | I wanted to share it with a coworker |
| 13:43 | < [R]> | ... |
| 13:43 | < [R]> | Did you actually read what I said? |
| 13:43 | <@celticminstrel> | Normally rm /dir/* would be different from rm /dir/, but I suppose if it's the root directory it wouldn't make any difference. |
| 13:44 | <@Azash> | I did and I thought you were referring to the story I was asking about |
| 13:44 | <@celticminstrel> | Yeah, that didn't make sense, Azash, he was commenting on --no-preserve-root, I think. |
| 13:44 | <@Azash> | Ah |
| 13:44 | <@Azash> | Well, the story I mean features a limited set of available commands and also people messing around during the rescue operation |
| 13:44 | <@Azash> | So it fit in |
| 13:47 | < [R]> | <[R]> zb3: unix admin horror stories txt? |
| 13:47 | < [R]> | <zb3> http://www.ucs.cam.ac.uk/support/unix-support/misc/horror - Unix Admin. Horror Story - University of Cambridge Computing Service |
| 13:48 | < [R]> | That's the one I know of |
| 13:50 | <@Azash> | Thanks, that has the one I was remembering |
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| 14:54 | <@RchrdB> | Azash, "However rm -rf /* is acceptable due to bash completion" â pedantic nit, you mean expansion, not completion. It's a built-in part of Unix shell semantics, all shells do it, that wildcards get expanded by the shell, not the command being invoked. It's not specific to bash. sh and csh and all the shells since forever have the same semantics for wildcards. :) |
| 14:55 | <@Azash> | I don't see a lot of semantic difference between expansion and completion, admit that bash isn't universal though |
| 15:00 | <@celticminstrel> | XCode invokes shell scripts with /bin/sh. |
| 15:00 | <@celticminstrel> | Which may or may not be a symlink to bash. |
| 15:00 | <@celticminstrel> | Of course, the shellscript probably starts with a shebang, so sh might then invoke bash. |
| 15:01 | <@celticminstrel> | 'man sh' gives me the bash manpage, so it must be a symlink. |
| 15:02 | <@RchrdB> | Azash, strictly speaking, bash completion is the auto-suggest-when-you-press tab feature. Shell expansion is the part of the semantics that specifies the transformation between what you type in, say ./foo "bar$BAZ", and what gets put into argc/argv in the child processes, argc=2, argv={"./foo", "barbaz", NULL} |
| 15:03 | <@TheWatcher> | celticminstrel: ls -l /bin/sh should output something like `lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 May 16 2013 /bin/sh -> bash` |
| 15:03 | <@Azash> | RchrdB: Sure, I'm just saying the idea of completion based on a stub and the idea of expanding based on a stub are not conceptually very different |
| 15:04 | <@RchrdB> | Azash, both are, uh, terms of art, mentioned by name in the man page. |
| 15:04 | <@Azash> | 'course, but interchanging them is not likely to confuse |
| 15:04 | <@RchrdB> | celticminstrel, if you invoke a shell script with /bin/sh foo.sh, the #! line is ignored. The only time #! is normally consulted is when invoking foo.sh as a command by itself. |
| 15:05 | <@celticminstrel> | Hm, it doesn't seem to be a symlink. |
| 15:05 | <@RchrdB> | TheWatcher, sometimes it's a hardlink instead. |
| 15:05 | <@RchrdB> | Sometimes /bin/sh is actually dash or pdksh or whatever. |
| 15:05 | <@celticminstrel> | RchrdB: XCode saves the shell script to a file and invokes it as '/bin/sh -c path/to/script' |
| 15:05 | <@celticminstrel> | Second column of ls -l is link count, right? /bin/sh has 1 there. |
| 15:06 | <@RchrdB> | celticminstrel, then it's being invoked as a command and the shebang line is used. |
| 15:06 | <@celticminstrel> | Exactly. |
| 15:06 | <@RchrdB> | POSIX requires that "/bin/sh" be a POSIX-complying shell. Not necessarily bash. The POSIX shell standard specifies a generic Bourne shell. |
| 15:08 | <@celticminstrel> | sh --version and bash --version output the exact same thing. |
| 15:08 | <@celticminstrel> | I guess they're two copies of the same file...? |
| 15:08 | <&ToxicFrog> | celticminstrel: note that bash checks argv[0] and behaves differently if it was invoked as sh. |
| 15:09 | <@celticminstrel> | I think I've heard that somewhere before. |
| 15:10 | <&ToxicFrog> | Possibly in the bash man page. |
| 15:10 | <@celticminstrel> | Possibly. |
| 15:10 | <@celticminstrel> | The bash man page is way too big to be much use. |
| 15:11 | <@celticminstrel> | It'd be far more useful if all the builtins had their own manpage, for example. |
| 15:11 | <@celticminstrel> | And maybe some of the significant sections could make a page of their own. |
| 15:13 | <&ToxicFrog> | While I agree, part of the problem with making the builtins their own man page is that there is often a non-builtin with the same name. |
| 15:14 | <&ToxicFrog> | time and /usr/bin/time, for example. |
| 15:14 | <&ToxicFrog> | With different semantics. |
| 15:14 | <&ToxicFrog> | Possibly we need a man section 1s for shell builtins, like we have 3p for POSIX standards. |
| 15:32 | <@celticminstrel> | ...the file command seems to be failing me. |
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| 15:33 | <@celticminstrel> | It's reporting regex error 17. |
| 15:36 | <@celticminstrel> | Hm, apparently MacPorts at some point installed a version that overrides the OS default file command, which works. |
| 15:50 | <@celticminstrel> | There's no C(++) function to convert a number to a hex string, is there? I know a few ways to do it, but they all involve statements, not expressions, meaning I can't use them in XCode's debugger format field. |
| 15:50 | <@celticminstrel> | Wait, hex is one of the default options. Hm. |
| 15:51 | <@celticminstrel> | I suppose it'll do, but it'd be nice if it could be a little more automatic. |
| 16:01 | <@ErikMesoy> | Obscure request: does someone have access to Jurafsky&Martin's "Speech and Natural Language Processing" second edition, 2009? I'm chasing a reference to part 5.5.1 page 176 but I have an older edition where that subsection doesn't exist. It would be appreciated if you could tell me what that section is so I can find it in my version. |
| 16:07 | <@Azash> | More OpenSSL goodness: if (item == NULL) { goto err; i = -1; /* code */ } |
| 16:09 | <@celticminstrel> | Dead code? |
| 16:09 | <@celticminstrel> | Fun! |
| 16:26 | <&ToxicFrog> | Ok, this is the best thing ever: http://git-man-page-generator.lokaltog.net/ |
| 16:27 | <&ToxicFrog> | "git-hesitate-file -- checkout a few non-assigning applied files to exported non-recommending downstream refs" |
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| 17:27 | <@RchrdB> | On that note, I despise whoever made "man [" be an alias for "man 1 bash_builtins" instead of an alias for "man test". |
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| 20:13 | <@celticminstrel> | Okay, so... I can get a handle to a PICT resource, but now I need to turn it into an array of 8-bit pixel data. |
| 20:41 | <@ErikMesoy> | "import nltk" supersedes and obviates "import nltk.foo", right? |
| 20:44 | <@celticminstrel> | I don't see why it would? |
| 20:45 | <@ErikMesoy> | Because after "import nltk", it works fine to use "var = nltk.resources.some_stuff()". |
| 20:45 | <@ErikMesoy> | So I'm left wondering why the book advises me to also do "import nltk.resources", which I have skipped over, seemingly to no ill effect. |
| 20:50 | <@ErikMesoy> | Can I reasonably expect python slice[:] notation to get me an object of the same type as the thing being sliced, as long as the slice is at least of effective length 2? |
| 20:51 | <@celticminstrel> | o.O Github seems to have broken for some reason. As if the stylesheet wasn't being applied. |
| 20:55 | <@celticminstrel> | Oh, now it's fixed. |
| 21:03 | <&Derakon> | Erik: for imports, it depends on how the package handles its contents. |
| 21:03 | <&Derakon> | Some packages will import all sub-modules in the main package name. |
| 21:03 | <&Derakon> | So e.g. in nltk/__init__.py, you'd find "import resources". |
| 21:03 | <&Derakon> | Some don't bother. |
| 21:03 | <@ErikMesoy> | Aha. |
| 21:04 | <&Derakon> | So you'd have to specifically import the module you want to use before it becomes available. |
| 21:04 | | * ErikMesoy also finds he can use "from nltk import FreqDist" even though the book says to use "from nltk.book import FreqDist". |
| 21:05 | <@celticminstrel> | That seems to defeat the point of sub-modules a little. |
| 21:06 | <@ErikMesoy> | Will "from nltk import *" import all sub-sub-modules recursively, or just all sub-modules and what they say to import in their init? |
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| 21:07 | <&Derakon> | Again, depends on what nltk/__init__.py is doing. |
| 21:07 | <&Derakon> | "from foo import *" brings everything in foo's namespace into your own. |
| 21:08 | <@ErikMesoy> | This is starting to sound like heavy wizardry. |
| 21:14 | | * Derakon shrugs. |
| 21:14 | <&Derakon> | As a general rule, never use "from foo import *". |
| 21:14 | <&Derakon> | Dumping random shit into your current namespace is a great way to get horribly confused. |
| 21:20 | <@celticminstrel> | Okay, replace_extension presumably doesn't work how I thought it did, because after calling it the path has no extension. :| |
| 21:20 | <@celticminstrel> | (Context: Boost.Filesystem) |
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| 21:34 | <@celticminstrel> | The documentation says that the passed extension is appended to the path. |
| 21:34 | <@celticminstrel> | But it doesn't seem to be happening. |
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| 22:31 | <@ErikMesoy> | "I have a handin due tomorrow, I should probably read the textbook." |
| 22:35 | <@Azash> | university.txt |
| 22:36 | <@ErikMesoy> | something about caffeine |
| 22:40 | <&McMartin> | Man, I've been out of university classes for over ten years and I *still* have dreams like that |
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| 22:44 | < Guest28459> | ÃáÃáÃã ÃáÃÃã æÃÃãå Ãááå |
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| 22:44 | <&McMartin> | o_O |
| 22:45 | <&McMartin> | At least it's not the HOLY SHIT SPIES ARE EVERYWHERE LISTENING TO PUBLIC CONVERSATION, SPIES, SPIES thing |
| 22:45 | <@TheWatcher> | how peculiar. |
| 22:45 | <@Azash> | McMartin: Hivemind |
| 22:46 | <@ErikMesoy> | THE NSA IS READING YOUR FACEBOOK AND TELLING ISRAEL |
| 22:46 | <@ErikMesoy> | CAN WE CALL THAT SPYING?? |
| 22:46 | <&McMartin> | Israel got unfriended by everyone and so can't read it on your own. |
| 22:46 | <&McMartin> | er, on their own |
| 22:46 | <&McMartin> | you on their own? |
| 22:47 | <&McMartin> | Pronouns are hard |
| 22:47 | <@ErikMesoy> | Everyone is hereby singular they |
| 22:47 | <@ErikMesoy> | Israel got unfriended by everythey and so can't read they on their own |
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| 22:50 | <&McMartin> | Done and done |
| 22:59 | <@celticminstrel> | Opaque alpha is 0xff, right? |
| 23:04 | <&McMartin> | Check docks. It often is. |
| 23:04 | <&McMartin> | *docs |
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| 23:33 | <@Azash> | http://i.imgur.com/zn9UK5J.png |
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