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| 01:26 | <@RchrdB> | Fun thing: the Apache Portable Runtime is supposed to be a batteries-included standard library for C. |
| 01:27 | <@RchrdB> | Provides things like a hash table implementation, a portable poll()-like interface, portable mmap() and so on, across Unix and some weird platforms like BeOS and Win32. |
| 01:27 | <@RchrdB> | There's no narrative documentation that I can find anywhere. |
| 01:28 | <@RchrdB> | The documentation linked on the website is doxygen, and it's totally useless. |
| 01:28 | <@RchrdB> | Instead, simply reading the headers themselves is actually pleasant; they're really well-written. |
| 01:38 | <@RchrdB> | â¦aside from everything being a bit underspecified. :| |
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| 02:18 | <@celticminstrel> | I'm slightly disappointed at the lack of an Objective-C plugin for visual studio. |
| 02:19 | <@Namegduf> | How good is support for Obj-C outside of OS X and iOS? |
| 02:20 | <@RchrdB> | I believe that GNUstep is the only toolkit for it outside of Cocoa. |
| 02:20 | <@Namegduf> | I heard of that one, I think. |
| 02:21 | <@RchrdB> | So, the two objC compilers available are GCC and objective-C. |
| 02:22 | <@celticminstrel> | I think I'm only using it to read plist files. |
| 02:22 | <@RchrdB> | I think that you can use the language itself without any of its expected standard library just fine. |
| 02:22 | <@celticminstrel> | I think clang has objc support too. |
| 02:22 | <@celticminstrel> | Yeah. |
| 02:22 | <@RchrdB> | er, *are GCC and clang. |
| 02:22 | <@celticminstrel> | Oh. Heh. |
| 02:22 | <@RchrdB> | GNUstep has an implementation of some of objC's standard library (don't know how much) |
| 02:23 | <@RchrdB> | GNUstep includes some GUI stuff that you don't want to use because nobody should write apps that look that old in 2014, unless they're written in Tk. |
| 02:23 | <@RchrdB> | (writing apps in Tk is fine, it shows that you're being deliberately minimalist/oldschool) |
| 02:24 | <@celticminstrel> | There seems to be an official clang release for Windows which also adds itself as a toolchain to VS. |
| 02:24 | <@celticminstrel> | But it can't compile VS's C++ library yet. |
| 02:25 | <@RchrdB> | Yeah, that's some kind of mad thing to get clang into the hands of VS users at all costs |
| 02:25 | <@Namegduf> | What are you looking to do with it? |
| 02:25 | <@celticminstrel> | My choices are "use libc++ and recompile some other libraries that depend on the standard library", "wait", and "compile clang myself", since I think it's already fixed in svn. |
| 02:25 | <@celticminstrel> | Hm, Namegduf? |
| 02:25 | <@RchrdB> | IIRC it does something really funny like invokes clang and, if there's a compilation error, tries again with MS' C compiler. |
| 02:25 | <@Namegduf> | Obj-C. |
| 02:25 | <@celticminstrel> | [Mar 21@10:22:08pm] celticminstrel: I think I'm only using it to read plist files. |
| 02:26 | <@celticminstrel> | I have predominantly C++ code that works on the Mac which I want to port to Windows. |
| 02:26 | <@Namegduf> | Ah. |
| 02:26 | <@celticminstrel> | RchrdB: I don't think it does that by default, you have to specify the /fallback flag. |
| 02:28 | <@RchrdB> | Third-hand rumour. |
| 02:28 | <@celticminstrel> | That's clang-cl, the driver that mimicks cl.exe's interface. |
| 02:28 | <@celticminstrel> | You could use clang directly instead, though I don't think you can integrate that with VS. |
| 02:29 | <@RchrdB> | celticminstrel, I think that you might be in trouble; reading/writing plists isn't part of objC but one of the libraries that comes with OS X |
| 02:29 | <@RchrdB> | it sounds like there is a GNUstep reimplementation of part of it, but it doesn't sound like it'll read actual plist files as composed by actual OS X programs |
| 02:30 | <@celticminstrel> | Really? I thought it would be fine, since it all starts with NS. |
| 02:30 | <@celticminstrel> | But of course, I do have the alternate option of replacing the Obj-C with some XML parsing. |
| 02:30 | <@RchrdB> | I'm looking at https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/documentation/Darwin/Reference/Manpages/ man5/plist.5.html |
| 02:31 | <@RchrdB> | It's all CF*, not NS*. |
| 02:31 | <@RchrdB> | celticminstrel, who knows, maybe I have the wrong end of the stick, hopefully. |
| 02:31 | <@celticminstrel> | I'm using NSPropertyListSerialization. |
| 02:32 | <@RchrdB> | Maybe totally fine. |
| 02:33 | <@celticminstrel> | I'll find out once I get everything else working, I guess. |
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| 02:34 | <@RchrdB> | Good luck! |
| 02:34 | <@celticminstrel> | It'll probably be awhile yet, unless I decide to compile clang from svn. |
| 02:34 | <@celticminstrel> | But thanks. |
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| 20:58 | <@celticminstrel> | Apparently telling VS to treat .mm files as C++ does cause InteliSense to look at it after all. It didn't work at first. Maybe I just needed to restart VS. |
| 20:59 | <@celticminstrel> | The Doxygen comment highlighter I found also doesn't work. Or rather, it only works the first time you start VS after enabling it. |
| 22:28 | <@celticminstrel> | ...the git diff shows some random characters at the start of the vcxproj and sln files that don't appear if I open them in (for example) Notepad++. |
| 22:28 | <&McMartin> | Those are probably the Unicode Byte Order Marker |
| 22:29 | <@celticminstrel> | I was wondering about that... |
| 22:29 | <@celticminstrel> | I fixed resource.h and the .rc being interpreted as binary by saving them as UTF-8; I wonder if it's safe to do that with the .sln and .vcxproj. |
| 22:31 | <@celticminstrel> | Well, I suppose if they have a BOM they're already UTF-8, but I saved the other two as UTF-8 without BOM. |
| 22:33 | <&McMartin> | ISTR that .sln and .vcxproj are basically XML files. They should say "UTF-8" in the part where they start with <?xml. |
| 22:34 | <@celticminstrel> | Yup, they do. The .vcxproj does, at least. The .sln isn't XML. |
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