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| 15:31 | <@Tarinaky> | http://thecodelesscode.com/case/135 |
| 15:33 | <@ErikMesoy> | "happy path testing", hadn't heard that one before |
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| 19:44 | <@mac> | On my WinVista laptop, I occasionally get a Notification Bar icon saying 'There is a new version of Java available, click here to download it'. I do, the standard 'Cancel/Allow' box pops up, I click 'allow'. However, /every time/ I get a message saying 'You already have the latest version of Java!'. |
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| 20:16 | <@Tamber> | Yup, that's Java alright. |
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| 22:00 | <@gnolam> | Do they still have their own constantly running background process to check for updates, or have they figured out that there's such a thing as a scheduler yet? |
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| 22:04 | <@macdjord> | gnolam: Background process. |
| 22:05 | <@gnolam> | Oh FFS. |
| 22:05 | < [R]> | Protip: remove the execute perm from their update process |
| 22:06 | <@gnolam> | This is... well, something that could be performed by /a .BAT file/, but they still have their own broken solution. And some people wonder why app Java was shunned... |
| 22:06 | < [R]> | It's less stupid on better platforms. |
| 22:07 | < [R]> | Actually, I've no issue with it at all on Linux. |
| 22:07 | <@macdjord> | [R]: I wouldn't /mind/, it's quite a small footprint, if only it did it's /job/. EIther its telling me there is an update when there isn't, or it's failing to fetch the update and then lying. |
| 22:07 | < [R]> | I find it needlessly noisy |
| 22:08 | < [R]> | On Windows+* |
| 22:08 | <&McMartin> | Windows needs a more generic Update Center that third parties can register with, like Add/Remove programs. |
| 22:08 | < [R]> | ^ |
| 22:09 | < [R]> | Windows is generally 3-4 release cycles behind other OS on shit like that I find. |
| 22:09 | < [R]> | Though the "App Store" is supposed to fix that |
| 22:09 | <&McMartin> | Microsoft also needs to use its own Windows Update to manage updates for its libc, as opposed to just its lib.net |
| 22:10 | <&McMartin> | I don't consider app stores a step forward, but my goal is different. |
| 22:10 | < [R]> | I was more talking about stuff from the App Store gets updates from the App Store's update checker |
| 22:10 | <&McMartin> | I'm setting Windows a harder problem than the one Apple solves. |
| 22:10 | <&McMartin> | Yeah |
| 22:10 | <&McMartin> | That's an easier problem |
| 22:10 | <&McMartin> | I want them to be able to do that *in the screaming anarchy of the Windows software ecosystem* |
| 22:11 | <&McMartin> | Which Linux handles via, basically, extended private repos. |
| 22:11 | <&McMartin> | Er, adding private repos to the official update extension list and then still centralizing it but having it off on its own end. |
| 22:13 | < [R]> | Yeah |
| 22:14 | < [R]> | It'd be nice if MS got off their ass and actually looked at their compeditors. |
| 22:15 | < [R]> | At the same time though, I realize they've got the legacy baggage issue, so they're really fucked in that regard. |
| 22:15 | <&McMartin> | Heh. They tried to pull an Apple twice and its customer base rejected them soundly both times. |
| 22:15 | <&McMartin> | "If we wanted to have to rebuy an entirely new system every couple of updates, we'd be using Apple products" |
| 22:16 | <&McMartin> | Also, I don't really want them copying Lion or Unity kthx |
| 22:16 | < [R]> | Yeah... that'd be shitty |
| 22:20 | <&McMartin> | What I'd like them to do, and which they won't, because only greybeards care, would be to make Metro work as a tiling window manager |
| 22:20 | <&McMartin> | Like, intentionally generically, not just "you can see a third of some other application over there" |
| 22:20 | < [R]> | Yessssss |
| 22:21 | <&McMartin> | But "this half is my web browser, that half is my code editor, my command console is a strip on the bottom |
| 22:21 | | * [R] wonders if Grids was ported to W8 |
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