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| 02:38 | < q[o_O]p> | [BesT/Mp3] Avril Lavigne - Losing Grip [08:21!7.65MB], |
| 02:38 | < q[o_O]p> | [BesT/Mp3] 3 Doors Down - Away from the Sun [03:57!3.62MB], |
| 02:39 | | q[o_O]p was kicked from #code by McMartin [No warez here] |
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| 02:39 | | q[o_O]p was kicked from #code by McMartin [No warez here] |
| 02:39 | <&Derakon> | Is that warez or just those insipid "this is what I'm listening to" scripts? |
| 02:40 | <&McMartin> | I figured the latter since it wasn't 8 minutes between them |
| 02:40 | <&Derakon> | Ah, point. |
| 02:40 | <@Reiv> | And it lists file size. |
| 02:40 | <@Reiv> | Which you don't normally mention in a 'what I'm listening to' |
| 02:42 | <&McMartin> | I'm willing to drop the ban on the off chance |
| 02:42 | <&Derakon> | Considering they didn't say anything else, yeah, that seems fair. |
| 02:44 | <&McMartin> | He's now complaining about it, so I will drop the ban |
| 02:44 | <@Namegduf> | You mean you figured the former? |
| 02:44 | | mode/#code [-tn] by McMartin |
| 02:44 | <&McMartin> | Um, what |
| 02:45 | | mode/#code [+nt] by Namegduf |
| 02:45 | <&McMartin> | Thank you |
| 02:45 | <@Namegduf> | No problem. |
| 02:45 | <@Namegduf> | Easy error to make. |
| 02:45 | <&McMartin> | I seem to not be able to make unbanning work, can someone pick that up and also mention how it's done~ |
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| 02:45 | <@Reiv> | Why is he complaining while posting filespam? |
| 02:45 | | mode/#code [+nt] by Namegduf |
| 02:45 | <@Namegduf> | /mode -b *!*theeaznon@*.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net |
| 02:45 | <@Reiv> | If he is complaining, have you told him to disable the script? |
| 02:45 | <@Namegduf> | Space important |
| 02:45 | <&McMartin> | I pointed out to him that filespam is not permitted |
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| 02:46 | <&McMartin> | Don't do filespam here |
| 02:46 | <@Reiv> | Very good then. |
| 02:46 | < q[o_O]p> | there is no file... |
| 02:46 | <@Reiv> | (Or for that matter, anywhere on the network - it's against the rules.) |
| 02:46 | <@Reiv> | [15:38] <q[o_O]p> [BesT/Mp3] Avril Lavigne - Losing Grip [08:21!7.65MB], [15:38] <q[o_O]p> [BesT/Mp3] 3 Doors Down - Away from the Sun [03:57!3.62MB], |
| 02:46 | <@Reiv> | See that? Don't do that. |
| 02:48 | < q[o_O]p> | whats wrong with that? |
| 02:50 | <@Reiv> | Short answer: It got you banned, so presumably it's bad, yeah? |
| 02:50 | < q[o_O]p> | yeah but what rule am i breaking.... |
| 02:51 | <@Namegduf> | Posting messages registers as activity. Registering activity draws people's attention to the channel. |
| 02:51 | <@Namegduf> | Drawing people's attention for things that are not people saying things which are of at least plausible interest is kind of obnoxious. |
| 02:51 | <@Namegduf> | tl;dr version: "At the minimum, spam." |
| 02:52 | <@Reiv> | And #Code is a dedicated channel to programming, computing, and related puzzles, problems, and philosophies. The people paying attention in here are looking for relevant discussion. |
| 02:53 | <@Reiv> | We also try to keep general how-was-your-day style chatter to a minimum for similar reasons. |
| 02:53 | <&Derakon> | Or at the very least, they're looking to chat with people they actually know and therefore care about~ |
| 02:53 | <@Reiv> | Derakon: Even then! We have other channels for that. |
| 02:53 | <&Derakon> | Well, this is true. |
| 02:55 | | Kindamoody[zZz] is now known as Kindamoody |
| 02:55 | <~Vornicus> | So just now I had a crazy stupid thought: a "screen" made of magnet-controlled googly eyes |
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| 03:00 | <~Vornicus> | I have no idea how that would be even slightly useful except as a ridiculous art gallery installation |
| 03:01 | < [R]> | http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2014-03/enhanced/webdr08/9/5/enhanced-16525-1394 358106-6.jpg |
| 03:03 | < q[o_O]p> | lol |
| 03:06 | <~Vornicus> | oh oh. yes, ridiculous art gallery installation. And then you hook up a kinect or something and the googly eyes pick somebody to look at. |
| 03:08 | <@Reiv> | That's actually pretty brilliant |
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| 03:18 | <@Reiv> | And this is why I do not generally bother being excessively educational to lamer newbies. |
| 03:18 | <@Reiv> | Though granted, a couple have proven OK. |
| 03:18 | <@Reiv> | Not sure which, though ~ |
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| 04:15 | < Harlow> | some of you might find this cool https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIIJME8-au8 |
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| 05:29 | <~Vornicus> | that is pretty cool |
| 05:32 | < Harlow> | i know right |
| 05:33 | < Harlow> | i like how the human overcame the robot at the end. It sums up humanity pretty well, we are resilient. |
| 05:34 | <~Vornicus> | I think of the three ways it showed the human beating the robot I liked the edge one best. |
| 05:34 | <~Vornicus> | robot just stood there like "...wat" |
| 05:34 | < Harlow> | lol |
| 05:38 | <~Vornicus> | the other two -- getting it in short, and that giant slam -- were taking advantage of the fact that the arm's only so long. That edge bit just plain fooled it. |
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| 08:55 | <@JustBob> | There is no god. |
| 08:55 | <@JustBob> | This code takes 3-4 seconds to run each iteration. |
| 08:55 | <@JustBob> | So, 15-20 minutes for the entire cycle. :| |
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| 10:32 | <@froztbyte> | JustBob: throw more cloud at it |
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| 12:46 | | * Azash creates a temporary fix, is not sure whether to keep the rickety solution or figure out the actual issue |
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| 13:03 | <@HearingEarDog> | So many ads. Whyever did the designers of this course's computer network think it good to force us to use unmodified IE? |
| 13:04 | <@HearingEarDog> | I mean, can you even get adblock for it? |
| 13:06 | <@TheWatcher> | ABP will work with IE, I believe. |
| 13:09 | <@HearingEarDog> | Oh... but I can't install it without admin credentials. :( |
| 13:18 | <@HearingEarDog> | Aha! It appears that portable installations fall through the forbidding of installing things! |
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| 13:24 | <@gnolam> | ... forcing you to use IE? |
| 13:25 | <@HearingEarDog> | Only IE installed. Installing prohibited (I signed a document AND it requires admin rights). |
| 13:30 | <&ToxicFrog> | And you're stuck using the school computers? |
| 13:30 | <@HearingEarDog> | I don't want to haul my own over here every time. |
| 13:31 | < Erik> | Is it at least an IE new enough to have tabs? |
| 13:31 | <@HearingEarDog> | Yes. |
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| 13:40 | <@RichyB> | HearingEarDog, portable versions of programs work, though? Get a USB stick with portable Firefox on it? |
| 13:40 | <@RichyB> | The point being that those programs are meant to just run from where they are, as an ordinary user, no admin permission needed to set them up. |
| 13:41 | <@HearingEarDog> | Yes. These computers get their IE history and settings wiped every night, but not their user files like documents or downloads. |
| 13:42 | <@RichyB> | Windows admins can also do really fun things like set up a GPO with a white-list of executables which causes Windows to refuse to run *any* program not on that list, but that's a bit of work so not so many people do it. |
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| 13:44 | <@HearingEarDog> | I'm also not supposed to eat at the computer, but the course teachers said explicitly to disregard that part. |
| 13:47 | <@RichyB> | The utility of that advice depends on what your goals are |
| 13:48 | <@RichyB> | if you want to leave the keyboard clean and stay healthy, avoid it |
| 13:48 | <@HearingEarDog> | Have a comfortable work time? |
| 13:48 | <@RichyB> | if you're in a hurry and you're fine with exercising your immune system, go for it |
| 13:48 | <@RichyB> | computer keyboards get fiiiiiiiiilthy |
| 13:49 | <@HearingEarDog> | I'm very fine with exercising my IS. |
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| 13:53 | <@gnolam> | JustBob: if it is The Program I Think It Is and your computer is reasonably recent, you can run it multithreaded on several cores - and it's an embarrassingly parallel problem, so twice the cores == half the time. |
| 13:57 | <@gnolam> | (But also note that if it is The Program I Think It Is, using time cutoffs with parallel execution is bugged to hell. You're fine with a number of runs cutoff though.) |
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| 14:06 | | * Erik is assigned to writing some ON ERROR RESUME NEXT code. >_> |
| 14:08 | < Erik> | Use case: pass several xml files to a program and find some data in each one. |
| 14:08 | < Erik> | I suppose that responding to "oh, hey, this isn't an xml file and I cannot xml parse it" with "well, I'll try the next one" is one of the better use cases for OERN. |
| 14:21 | <@RichyB> | Yyes. |
| 14:27 | <&ToxicFrog> | Well |
| 14:27 | <&ToxicFrog> | I contend that actual literal OERN is a terrible idea |
| 14:28 | <&ToxicFrog> | More general "respond to bad input by throwing it away and continuing" is fine for cases like this. |
| 14:29 | < Erik> | The guy asking me to do this used the literal words "on error resume next" when I brought up the question of what the program should do if passed non-XML, since it's meant to be distributed for wider use by people who are more likely to pass wrong things. |
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| 16:21 | <@froztbyte> | ErikMesoy: wasn't it also you who had the coworker that gets high on objects? |
| 16:22 | <@froztbyte> | (I'm guessing ErikMesoy==Erik) |
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| 16:33 | <@ErikMesoy> | Yes to both |
| 16:34 | <@ErikMesoy> | froztbyte: But it's still a reasonably sane place. I get WTFs (like the folder with .aspx in the name), not horrors |
| 16:37 | <@froztbyte> | ErikMesoy: yeah, I was just wondering if it was the same person who said that ;) |
| 16:42 | <@gnolam> | Gets high on objects? |
| 16:43 | <@Tamber> | things.all.orient.object(the)! |
| 16:58 | <@froztbyte> | gnolam: you will do the One True Object Method for Everything You Write |
| 16:58 | <@froztbyte> | Formally and Completely~! |
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| 17:00 | <@ErikMesoy> | Specifically, I was working on some graph viewing/mapping of documents with links to one another, and he suggested that to look for cycles in the graph, I should make each node be an object with methods to look at its own links and query the nodes downstream from it. |
| 17:01 | <@ErikMesoy> | I did not do this, but made a function that searched through the graph. |
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| 18:18 | <@HearingEarDog> | How do I make invisible borders in Word appear in editing mode? |
| 18:19 | <@HearingEarDog> | I mean, I don't want them to actually show up in a printout, but I'd like to see where they are. |
| 18:19 | <@ErikMesoy> | is it something like Show/Hide Formatting Characters you want? |
| 18:20 | <@HearingEarDog> | Yes. |
| 18:20 | <@HearingEarDog> | But that one doesn't do it for tables. |
| 18:20 | <~Vornicus> | HearingEarDog: word 2007+? |
| 18:20 | <@HearingEarDog> | Yes. |
| 18:21 | <~Vornicus> | in the table tab, far left side I think it is on all of them, "show gridlines" |
| 18:21 | <~Vornicus> | oh, table/layout |
| 18:22 | <@HearingEarDog> | It's just called Layout here, but thanks, that's the one! |
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| 19:06 | | * Derakon_ snerks at two emails in his inbox, sent to the same mailing list. |
| 19:06 | < Derakon_> | Email 1: "Please avoid top-posting". Email 2: a top-post. |
| 19:16 | <~Vornicus> | "top-post"? |
| 19:17 | <@Tamber> | Putting the reply *before* the quoted email you're replying to. |
| 19:17 | < Derakon_> | Replying at the top of a message instead of immediately below the portion you are replying to. |
| 19:17 | < Derakon_> | Ideally you also only quote the part of the message that is most relevant. |
| 19:18 | <@Tamber> | Quite so. |
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| 19:54 | <&McMartin> | This is not as iron a law as it used to be |
| 19:57 | <@Alek> | http://imgur.com/gallery/qbHFTtX |
| 20:07 | | * TheWatcher readsup |
| 20:08 | <@TheWatcher> | No, no it isn't >.< |
| 20:08 | <@Tarinaky> | If your code compiles first time you're not using enough compiler flags. |
| 20:09 | | * TheWatcher gets sick of dealing with people passing around massive emails with several hundred lines of quoted conversation, only to see them add one line comments at the top |
| 20:09 | <@ErikMesoy> | threaded conversations are a lost art? eternal septembering? |
| 20:10 | <@Tamber> | TheWatcher, and it's always only "Me Too!" that they add? ;) |
| 20:11 | <@TheWatcher> | Not always |
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| 20:16 | <&McMartin> | ErikMesoy: "Mail readers often show the whole thread at once and remove common suffixes" |
| 20:23 | <@gnolam> | I've given up that battle. |
| 20:24 | <@gnolam> | Top and bottom posting Just Don't Mix, and everyone else is top posting. |
| 20:24 | <&McMartin> | Gmail makes top posting read pretty cleanly, anyway |
| 20:50 | <@Reiv> | Yeah, i really wish Gmail would clean that up |
| 20:50 | <@Reiv> | Or rather, er |
| 20:50 | <@Reiv> | * I really wish everyone else would take notes from Gmail |
| 20:56 | | * ErikMesoy receives feedback for third major university exercise this semester. |
| 20:57 | <@ErikMesoy> | Docked a point here for using my own QUICK_AND_DIRTY_DEBUG_FLAG (the censor points out that there's a 'DEBUG' in os.environ for this sort of thing), docked a point there for checking against a dict instead of a list, etc, overall 93/100. |
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| 21:00 | <&ToxicFrog> | Oh man, this server has the best error logging |
| 21:00 | <&ToxicFrog> | s/logging/handling/ |
| 21:00 | <&ToxicFrog> | If it can't load the configuration image, it logs an error telling you that it can't, then derefs the configuration it just failed to load and crashes. |
| 21:01 | < Derakon_> | Logging failures during startup is a pain, let me tell you. |
| 21:01 | < Derakon_> | You can't rely on anything so you have to have an entirely separate logging system, and then when you do get your config loaded you have to clean up any mess that the hardcoded system made. |
| 21:03 | <&ToxicFrog> | We have actually pretty much solved that - the same infrastructure that handles deploying stuff to production also captures all output and logs. |
| 21:04 | <&ToxicFrog> | If something dies before the actual logging infra is available - which takes some doing - it'll be captured in stdout/stderr, as will errors initiating the job in the first place. |
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| 21:13 | < Derakon_> | I have to cope with the program I'm doing this for being a user-run program. |
| 21:13 | < Derakon_> | And in particular it has to load user-written code. >.< |
| 21:13 | <@Reiv> | wot |
| 21:13 | < Derakon_> | Reiv: microscope framework. |
| 21:14 | < Derakon_> | Users write new modules to add hardware to the framework. |
| 21:14 | < Derakon_> | Those modules need to initialize during startup. |
| 21:14 | < Derakon_> | Though to be fair, by the time I'm loading most user modules I have logging set up already. |
| 21:14 | < Derakon_> | The only one this isn't the case for is the configurator module...which says where to put the logs... |
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