| --- Log opened Fri Dec 27 00:00:15 2013 |
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| 01:17 | | * McMartin fires up his retro work again. |
| 01:18 | <&McMartin> | These programs are getting harder to link. |
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| 01:23 | | * McMartin has some initialization data that has to (a) be 64-byte aligned and (b) live entirely within the first 2KB of program text. |
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| 02:40 | <&McMartin> | Ahaha, progress |
| 02:40 | | * McMartin gets another trick working the way he wants it to. |
| 02:43 | <&McMartin> | Anyone want to see the thing I've been working on? |
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| 02:44 | <&McMartin> | It is still a Seekrit Projekt for a few weeks until it can get to its final point, so no links in publically available areas, but I wouldn't mind a little feedback as I get into the home stretch. |
| 02:48 | < Turaiel> | Oooh, what is? |
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| 03:06 | < Syka> | McMartin: wut is it |
| 03:17 | < Syka> | McMartin: neat |
| 03:22 | | * Vornicus wantstosee |
| 03:23 | <&ToxicFrog> | showmeshowmeshowme |
| 03:43 | | * McMartin gets some weird animation flicker, learns that certain X locations are noncontiguous, >_<s |
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| 03:55 | | * Derakon mutters at Pyrel. |
| 03:55 | < Derakon> | I'm trying to implement status ailments that interfere with the controls. |
| 03:55 | < Derakon> | For example, confusion prevents the player from reading scrolls or casting spells, and causes movement to occasionally send you in random directions. |
| 03:56 | < Derakon> | I have an InventoryCommand object which handles interacting with items, including using them but not breaking it down by verb. |
| 03:57 | < Derakon> | In fact there are no other, more specific verbs at the moment. |
| 03:57 | < Derakon> | I can probably fix that by tagging the base scroll object template with a verb, and then creating a new command input that just maps to the USE_ITEM command by way of that verb. |
| 03:58 | < Derakon> | It's not gonna be pretty though... |
| 03:59 | < Derakon> | So then the InventoryCommand has to hand off to the actor and let it invoke any Procs associated with that verb; in this case, we've attached a Proc that prints the message "You are too confused!" and then returns False. |
| 03:59 | < Derakon> | The idea being that the actor should hit that Proc and then prevent the scroll from being read. |
| 03:59 | < Derakon> | I can't help but feel that this is just a somewhat clunky way of hardcoding the specific behavior we want in this instance, though. It doesn't feel very flexible. |
| 04:00 | < Derakon> | Bleh. |
| 04:12 | <&McMartin> | Hrm, being able to attach procs to inventorycommand seems pretty solid |
| 04:12 | <&McMartin> | That any *given* proc is very ad-hoc shouldn't be a problem |
| 04:13 | < Derakon> | Yeah, I guess my problems are twofold. |
| 04:13 | < Derakon> | First, how do I cleanly associate new verbs with specific item types. |
| 04:14 | < Derakon> | Second, how do I cleanly cancel and/or mutate commands as a result of procs. |
| 04:15 | < Derakon> | I guess I have to encapsulate the "parameters" for the command and hand them to the procs, which would then be allowed to change them? |
| 04:24 | | * Derakon takes a moment to be thankful for experience, for he knows that had he tried to solve this problem five years ago he'd have made a complete hash of it. |
| 04:24 | < Derakon> | It's amazing how high the skill cap is in programming~ |
| 04:32 | <&McMartin> | The usual estimation is about a factor of 1000x |
| 04:32 | <&McMartin> | And yeah, some of this project I'm working here is recycling ten-year-old code. |
| 04:32 | <&McMartin> | And oh man >_< |
| 04:35 | < Derakon> | Yeah. |
| 04:35 | < Derakon> | I mean, thinking about how I did Jetblade... |
| 04:35 | < Derakon> | The code was serviceable, but I'd still do most of it completely differently now. |
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| 06:05 | | * Vornotron implements the floyd-warshall algorithm, is befuddled at how simple it is. |
| 06:15 | < Syka> | hmm. |
| 06:15 | < Syka> | which is worse |
| 06:15 | < Syka> | skipping a test because you know that the underparts havent been implemented |
| 06:16 | < Syka> | or testing that a NotImplementedError had been thrown when you try and use it? |
| 06:16 | < Syka> | i guess the latter gives you a note that you need to implement the test once you DO do it |
| 06:16 | < Syka> | since the assertIsInstance(result, NotImplementedError) will fail |
| 06:17 | <&ToxicFrog> | Yeah, I would say NotImplementedError. |
| 06:19 | < Vornotron> | I thought you said underpants |
| 06:20 | < Syka> | well |
| 06:20 | < Syka> | it doesn't have underpants either |
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| 06:43 | < simon_> | Vornotron, cool. |
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| 10:41 | < AbuDhabi_> | Fuck you, XKCD. |
| 10:42 | < AbuDhabi_> | Non-paginated text on the web is superior to pagination. |
| 10:42 | < Vornotron> | the problem is that if you navigate away it loses your place |
| 10:43 | < AbuDhabi_> | So use a different tab? |
| 10:45 | < Vornotron> | Especially for "endless-scroll" things which use js to keep stuff. |
| 10:46 | < AbuDhabi_> | That's just another atrocity. |
| 10:47 | < ErikMesoy> | http://gatherer.wizards.com/pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=88803 |
| 10:48 | < Vornotron> | is this what i think it--nope. |
| 10:48 | < ErikMesoy> | What did you think it was going to be? |
| 10:49 | < Vornotron> | I was thinking it would be a card named "endless scroll" |
| 10:49 | < ErikMesoy> | haha |
| 10:50 | < ErikMesoy> | But seriously, I insist that there's no such thing as endless scroll properly speaking, because the internet doesn't have infinite data. It has a lot, though. |
| 10:51 | < ErikMesoy> | Which leaves us with the choice of 1) paginate for lots of ad space and clickings, 2) long single page created immediately with huge loading time and data you're probably not going to see, 3) long single page created dynamically which can't keep your place and doesn't answer to Ctrl-F properly and other issues. |
| 10:55 | < Vornotron> | or 4) long single page created dynamically with headers that change the url as you pass them. |
| 10:55 | < ErikMesoy> | Are you thinking of WordPress? Because that's not really single page. |
| 10:56 | < Vornotron> | I haven't seen wordpress do that |
| 10:56 | < ErikMesoy> | I've noticed some WordPress blogs pretend to be infinite single page and update the URL to /2, /3 as you scroll down every N posts, loading as you go, but if you click on a post and then click Back, what you actually get back to is posts 2N to 3N-1. |
| 10:57 | < Vornotron> | weird |
| 10:57 | < Vornotron> | yeah, the principle is approximately that, but... not that sucky |
| 10:58 | < ErikMesoy> | "Approximately that, but not that sucky" is a nice design goal for a lot of things. :D Where have you seen 4? |
| 10:58 | < Vornotron> | I don't remember anymore. |
| 11:00 | <@TheWatcher> | The problem I have with endless scroll is that it simply wastes memory, and can potentially produce every-increasing reflow delays |
| 11:00 | < ErikMesoy> | if you're reflowing on an endless scroll, you are doing it wrong :/ |
| 11:00 | <@TheWatcher> | Yeah, I've seen it done, though |
| 11:13 | < Vornotron> | I get grumpy at really long pages where the menu bar or toc is basically inaccessible unless you scroll all the way to the top or something. |
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| 11:15 | < Vornotron> | I'm looking at you, Python and Lua language documentation |
| 11:17 | <&McMartin> | Speaking of #2 on that list, I've got some writeups I should do tomorrow. |
| 11:24 | < Vornotron> | Lua's is even worse because the toc is on a different page entirely |
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| 19:38 | <@Alek> | the menu bar/toc/navigation bar are, ideally, in a fixed frame on a side of any given long-page. imho. where side includes top or bottom as well. |
| 19:39 | <@Tarinaky> | Typical f***ing thing. My IRC shell decides to put my ip address in hosts.deny at Christmas :/ |
| 19:39 | <@Tarinaky> | wtf. |
| 19:39 | <@Tarinaky> | I hate computers -.- |
| 19:40 | | * Alek patpats Taki |
| 19:40 | <@Tarinaky> | So now I'm having to daisy chain through /another/ shell account and it's all as slow as dishwater. |
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| 20:32 | <@froztbyte> | Tarinaky: use key auth |
| 20:32 | <@froztbyte> | then you never enter a wrong password |
| 20:33 | <@froztbyte> | and you never lock yourself out |
| 20:33 | <@froztbyte> | (easiest solution possible which can work without having root) |
| 20:33 | <@Tarinaky> | froztbyte: Wait, that bypasses hosts.deny? |
| 20:33 | <@froztbyte> | no |
| 20:34 | <@froztbyte> | it bypasses you landing up in hosts.deny |
| 20:34 | <@Tarinaky> | Then it's not really a solution to anything. |
| 20:34 | <@froztbyte> | but if you have root on the host, just add the IP to hosts.allow |
| 20:34 | <@froztbyte> | it gets checked first |
| 20:34 | <@Tarinaky> | I don't have root on the host. |
| 20:34 | <@froztbyte> | Tarinaky: I didn't say it solves your problem now. it's a future solution. stop being difficult. |
| 20:35 | <@Tarinaky> | I didn't type a wrong password. |
| 20:35 | <@froztbyte> | how the hell do you end up blocking yourself out then? |
| 20:35 | <@Tarinaky> | I have no idea. |
| 20:35 | <@froztbyte> | denyhosts and fail2ban basically only care about those |
| 20:35 | <@froztbyte> | unless someone has set up blacklists and pulls them down, and your IP is in that |
| 20:36 | <@Tarinaky> | I wouldn't know. |
| 20:36 | <@froztbyte> | I guess if you have reaaaaaaaaally bad connectivity and had to retry connecting a couple of times, that might trigger it too |
| 20:36 | <@froztbyte> | but you'd have to have uganda-in-2007-bad connectivity for that |
| 20:36 | <@Tarinaky> | All I know is the connection got closed sometime around Christmas Eve and I couldn't get back on. |
| 20:41 | <@froztbyte> | heh |
| 20:41 | <@froztbyte> | anyway, sorry, I'm probably too tired and shouldn't really be on IRC right now |
| 20:41 | <@froztbyte> | ask your hostmaster to set up a portknock chain that'll allow you to dynamically feed an IP into hosts.allow |
| 20:41 | <@froztbyte> | or somesuch |
| 20:41 | <@froztbyte> | (you can do this with both denyhosts and fail2ban, afaik) |
| 20:42 | <@froztbyte> | then at least you have a(nother) workaround in future |
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