| --- Log opened Wed Sep 04 00:00:14 2013 |
| 00:02 | < Reiv> | On the basis it would mean he just cost his employer money, I'm not sure TF is in a position to be in agreement~ |
| 00:13 | <&McMartin> | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/08/17/google_outage/ |
| 00:13 | <&McMartin> | Google drops off the net for two minutes, global internet traffic drops to 60% normal |
| 00:29 | < Reiv> | ... Google can't be 40% of the internets traffic, surely. |
| 00:30 | <&McMartin> | (a) Google includes YouTube, so I honestly dunno |
| 00:30 | <&McMartin> | (b) Maybe nobody can find anything without doing a web search first |
| 00:30 | < Reiv> | snrk |
| 00:31 | <@Namegduf> | Maybe everyone going to "is it down for everyone or just me" websites reduces their typical bandwidth usage. |
| 00:31 | <@Namegduf> | Or trying to go, but they can't remember how |
| 00:31 | <@Namegduf> | And Chrome's autocomplete isn't working right either oh god and so on |
| 00:38 | <@Azash> | Meanwhile in the cringe department http://pastebin.com/4LpybrVN |
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| 00:57 | <@Namegduf> | Thankfully, root processes can't do that any more than regular processes can. |
| 00:58 | <@Namegduf> | Well, I'm actually not sure if Linux will work without virtual memory, and without that it might do funky stuff. |
| 00:58 | <&McMartin> | virtual memory or swap |
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| 01:01 | <@Namegduf> | McMartin: Virtual memory. |
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| 01:02 | <@Namegduf> | McMartin: You can't iterate over "the system memory" and print everything just by having a root process which keeps incrementing a pointer if you have virtual memory. |
| 01:03 | <@Namegduf> | You may well not be able to do it even without, but virtual memory makes it a definite no. |
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| 01:11 | <&ToxicFrog> | /dev/mem >.> |
| 01:13 | <@Namegduf> | "just by" was important there. As root there is going to be a way to do it- you can load a kernel module if you have to. |
| 01:13 | <@Namegduf> | But there's no way the code in that pastebin is doing it. |
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| 01:28 | <@Tarinaky> | Python is giving me a confusing error message. |
| 01:28 | <@Tarinaky> | if i == []: |
| 01:28 | <@Tarinaky> | IndexError: list index out of range |
| 01:29 | <@Tarinaky> | Oh wait, hang on. |
| 01:30 | <@Tarinaky> | I did a silly. |
| 01:32 | <@Tarinaky> | Okay, my frankenscript is lurching forward again. |
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| 02:13 | < RichyB> | Namegduf, if you want to read off the contents of physical memory and you have root, you should have a device node called /dev/mem which gives you access to the kernel's real (not your process's virtual) address space. |
| 02:14 | <@Namegduf> | RichyB: Yes, that has nothing to do with what I said. |
| 02:14 | <@Namegduf> | And indicates that you, too, did not actually read what I was replying to. |
| 02:14 | < RichyB> | I read <Namegduf> McMartin: You can't iterate over "the system memory" and print everything just by having a root process which keeps incrementing a pointer if you have virtual memory. |
| 02:14 | <@Namegduf> | Yes. Is the part "just by" invisible to you? |
| 02:15 | < RichyB> | and responded with "in case you did want to do that, use this /dev node over here". |
| 02:15 | <@Namegduf> | Okay, but what I was replying to originally was someone saying they'd done so by accident. |
| 02:15 | <@Namegduf> | By incrementing a pointer. |
| 02:16 | < RichyB> | Ah, I missed the pastebin link. |
| 02:16 | < RichyB> | Oh, that shouldn't do anything other than segfault the process. |
| 02:16 | <@Namegduf> | Yeah. |
| 02:17 | < RichyB> | It doesn't even write anything to memory anywhere. |
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| 02:18 | <@Azash> | I don't get it either, but it is supposedly the only thing that changed prior to sshd breaking |
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| 02:41 | <@Tarinaky> | This amuses me far too much: http://pastebin.com/e56u1vtA |
| 02:42 | <@Tarinaky> | "I motion that we eat #3. All in favour say 'Aye'." |
| 02:47 | <@Tarinaky> | I suppose the creature that decended from a cat smuggled aboard wouldn't count as 'Known Population'. |
| 02:57 | < Reiv> | What is that from |
| 02:58 | <@Tarinaky> | Script I wrote this evening using material from Traveller. |
| 02:58 | <@Tarinaky> | Hence the inspiring name "Test System 4 II" |
| 02:59 | < Reiv> | That's pretty good. |
| 03:00 | <@Tarinaky> | Mongoose Traveller Book 3 has rules for randomly rolling up solar system bodies. I then recursed and generated UWP for each. |
| 03:00 | < Reiv> | Details like that immediately give quite a nice bit of flavor, actually: It's a small team on a ship or a station. They do whatever people agree to do, with no dedicated hierachy. |
| 03:00 | <@Tarinaky> | I assure you, the python script is very nasty and horrible. |
| 03:00 | < Reiv> | One wonders who they are and why they're there. |
| 03:01 | <@Tarinaky> | I'm not happy with the section that generates Temperature ranges though. |
| 03:01 | <@Tarinaky> | Particularly for low/no atmosphere worlds. |
| 03:01 | < Reiv> | Unhappy with how Traveller does it, or how your code does? |
| 03:01 | <@Tarinaky> | But I don't think I'll be able to do anything sensible without making up rules to randomly generate stellar classes. |
| 03:01 | <@Tarinaky> | Traveller just gives bounds. |
| 03:02 | <@Tarinaky> | And the table in Traveller has a massive handwave for Atmosphere 0/Atmosphere 1 worlds >.< |
| 03:04 | <@Tarinaky> | But like I said. Doing anything sensible for atmos 1/0 worlds requires generating stellar class/magnitude and range and doing /math/. |
| 03:09 | < Reiv> | Naaah |
| 03:09 | < Derakon_> | Heavens forfend that a computer program contain math~ |
| 03:09 | <&McMartin> | le gasp |
| 03:09 | <@Tarinaky> | Derakon_: I'm more worried about the programmer having to do math. |
| 03:09 | < Reiv> | Atmos 0 worlds is easy enough; simply declare the lower bound has to be Really Low. The higher bound then gives clues to how close it is. |
| 03:10 | < Reiv> | (I vaugely recall Mercury is scorching on the front, and rather chilly on the back.) |
| 03:10 | <@Tarinaky> | At 3 am it is far too an uncivilised hour for anything resembling arithmetic. |
| 03:10 | <@Tarinaky> | http://pastebin.com/NcEUSZ9j << More complete program output. |
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| 03:12 | <@Tarinaky> | At the moment I have it hard-coded not to allow any populations on planets where the temperature exceeds the melting point of steel. |
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| 03:12 | <&McMartin> | Weaklings. |
| 03:13 | <&McMartin> | People who need more than 4 hours of sleep a night: Me |
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| 05:26 | < Syka> | Tarinaky: imagine a civilised nomad society |
| 05:27 | < Syka> | where one face of the planet is steel temperature, but the other is quite nice |
| 05:27 | < Syka> | so you have a society who have built cities on wheels, and just stay in the black spot :D |
| 05:31 | <@Alek> | and use forays into the terminator for technology. |
| 05:31 | <@Alek> | but it'd have to be a relatively slow, or stable, terminator to allow a species to evolve, I think. |
| 05:32 | <@Alek> | unless they themselves can withstand the higher temperatures. |
| 05:32 | < Syka> | they could be non-native |
| 05:32 | <@Alek> | or that. |
| 05:33 | <@Alek> | heh. a race of heatsinks that eventually settles in the darkside and becomes civilized. |
| 05:33 | < Syka> | i'd imagine the world would be very flat |
| 05:33 | <@Alek> | but still has to go to the hotside once in a while, for whatever reasons. |
| 05:33 | < Syka> | since itd be constantly melting :p |
| 05:34 | <@Alek> | ooh, I dunno. maybe everything got melted down to an even sheen, maybe there's a convective action keeping things bubbling and freezing, for craggy outcrops. |
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| 07:20 | < ErikMesoy> | I have recently taken a certification exam from the International Software Testing Qualifications Board, so that I can become a more certified tester. |
| 07:20 | < ErikMesoy> | I would like to report that the ISTQB branch in Norway at least is fucking shit. |
| 07:21 | < ErikMesoy> | Before I even got to the test, I had to sign and agree to exam regulations, in which I corrected multiple spelling and grammar mistakes before signing. ("I promise not to say others about the contents of this test", etc.) |
| 07:22 | < Syka> | >certified tester |
| 07:22 | < Syka> | lol what |
| 07:22 | < ErikMesoy> | My boss suggested it. |
| 07:22 | < Syka> | is that certified tester in like |
| 07:22 | < Syka> | the same way that i'm a trained project manager? |
| 07:23 | < ErikMesoy> | It means certified by this lot: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Software_Testing_Qualifications_Board |
| 07:24 | < ErikMesoy> | Anyway, I think it's a bad sign when a company asks you to sign a contract with multiple errors, even worse when it's a testing-related company that's supposed to teach people about noticing defects. |
| 07:24 | < ErikMesoy> | (Maybe the module on fixing defects has been outsourced? :P) |
| 07:24 | < Syka> | lols. |
| 07:24 | < Syka> | ok shops time, because I am almost out of programming fuel (chocolate) |
| 07:25 | < ErikMesoy> | Then it got worse, because the test itself was all sorts of "does a formal review have an organizational preparation phase before the individual preparation phase" questions which had less to do with testing and more to do with repeating the ISTQB's exact mode of operation. |
| 07:25 | < Syka> | thats like the MS exams |
| 07:25 | < Syka> | if they say 'how would you solve this' |
| 07:25 | < ErikMesoy> | Then, when I'd finished trying to recall this sort of bureaucratic minutiae, the invigilator repeatedly violated the test procedures set out in the exam regulations. |
| 07:25 | < Syka> | you pick the answer with the most MS proprietary shit |
| 07:26 | <~Vornicus> | ErikMesoy: ...fun |
| 07:27 | < ErikMesoy> | For DF values of fun? |
| 07:29 | <~Vornicus> | Apparently |
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| 07:53 | <@froztbyte> | ErikMesoy: that entire set of things you mention sounds like cringe |
| 07:53 | <@froztbyte> | I'm surprised you're still alive |
| 07:54 | <@froztbyte> | (and haven't self-immolated) |
| 08:02 | < ErikMesoy> | It's Norway. Too cold for self-immolation. |
| 08:03 | < ErikMesoy> | I could jump into a frozen lake? |
| 08:30 | < [R]> | DF? |
| 08:30 | <&jerith> | Dwarf Fortress. |
| 08:31 | <&jerith> | Which I haven't played in far too long. |
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| 11:53 | | * TheWatcher eyes this, wtfs |
| 11:54 | <@TheWatcher> | without an onsubmit="" this form works fine |
| 11:54 | <@TheWatcher> | with one, if I do onsubmit="return true;" the form submits, but no data is sent, wtf |
| 12:50 | < Xon> | TheWatcher, javscript and DOM is "fun" isn't it |
| 12:57 | < RichyB> | IMHO Javascript is relatively easy. |
| 12:57 | < RichyB> | There are loads of browser bugs but, hey, you have a mostly-Turing-complete programming language right there to write the workarounds that you'll need for 'em. |
| 12:58 | < RichyB> | It is coping with browser rendering bugs that I find acutely painful. |
| 12:58 | <@Tarinaky> | Syka: Too Space-Opera for my tastes. |
| 13:04 | < Syka> | phantom of the space opera |
| 13:11 | < RichyB> | What's too space-opera? |
| 13:11 | < RichyB> | I'm of the opinion that few things are space-opera enough. |
| 13:11 | <@Tarinaky> | < Syka> so you have a society who have built cities on wheels, and just stay in the black spot :D |
| 13:11 | < RichyB> | What do you mean by "the black spot"? |
| 13:12 | <@Tarinaky> | Where the temperature is below the melting point of steel. |
| 13:13 | < RichyB> | Ah, so they live on an ultra-hot world and they migrate continuously? |
| 13:14 | < RichyB> | It might actually be easier to assume that there is no day-night cycle. If you live on a world that's tidally locked to its sun then the day/night line never moves and you can just live on the appropriate side of it. |
| 13:15 | <@Tarinaky> | Tidal lock isn't much better in terms of long-term habitability. |
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| 13:16 | < RichyB> | That seems counter-intuitive to me. If nothing else, tidal lock should get you a (possibly narrow) band of known-good temperature at at least one point. |
| 13:17 | <@Tarinaky> | What about the Earthquakes? |
| 13:18 | < RichyB> | I plead ignorance and I'm skimming http://www.astrobio.net/exclusive/4386/tidal-locking-could-render-habitable-plan ets-inhospitable now. |
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| 13:19 | < RichyB> | Okay, so you get runaway positive-feedback effects all over the place. Never mind. |
| 13:20 | <@Tarinaky> | It's probably better than the alternative. But I wouldn't build a city there. |
| 13:22 | <@Tarinaky> | That article seems to discuss the effects of tidal lock on weather. |
| 13:23 | <@Tarinaky> | I'm mostly thinking of planets with no/trace atmosphere. |
| 13:42 | < Attilla> | you might be able to live on the rim or something |
| 13:42 | < Attilla> | barely |
| 13:43 | < Attilla> | (that is the point where it transitions between eternal light and eternal dark |
| 13:43 | <&ToxicFrog> | RichyB: javascript, in and of itself, is not that bad. The issue is not so much broswer "bugs" as that every browser has a subtly (but mutually incompatible with everything else) idea of the semantics of JS and what the DOM looks like. |
| 13:44 | <&ToxicFrog> | Before you can even get to the point where you care about rendering bugs, you need to worry about that. |
| 13:47 | < RichyB> | I disagree with you about that. The ECMAscript standard is pretty tight and browser interpretations of it are closer to completely uniform than any other programming language that I've ever seen. |
| 13:48 | <&ToxicFrog> | This is more the case now than it used to be, true. |
| 13:48 | <&ToxicFrog> | The DOM is still fucked, though, or was two years ago when I was last doing any serious javascript hacking. |
| 13:48 | < RichyB> | The only notable differences in the semantics of javascript implementations that I've ever seen are: 1. (old versions of?) IE would parse [1,] as [1,undefined] where other browsers (and the spec, I think) parse it as [1]. |
| 13:49 | <@Tarinaky> | Plus you also have to keep in mind /why/ you'd settle on an inhospitable planet. |
| 13:49 | <@Tarinaky> | Cities aren't just placed down haphazardly where there's space. There has to be resources of value. |
| 13:50 | < RichyB> | and: 2. the order in which keys are iterated in a { for (key in obj) { ... } } loop is formally not-defined, but for a number of years, the commonly-deployed javascript interpreters would all iterate them in the same order that they were added to `obj`. |
| 13:50 | < RichyB> | That's not so much an infelicity of JS 'terps as it is some people thinking a coincidence that they'd gotten used to was part of the spec when it really wasn't. |
| 13:52 | < RichyB> | IIRC if you dig through the right blog archives from around the time of Chrome's introduction, you'll find some historical whining because it was the first major browser to switch key-iteration from insertion-order to hash-order, and some peoples' buggy-assed code broke. |
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| 19:42 | < Syka> | ToxicFrog: imo, a language where every intepreter is subtly shit is a fault of the language :P |
| 19:43 | < Syka> | because it means that it wasn't correctly standardised, and didn't have enough 'expected conditions' |
| 19:43 | <&ToxicFrog> | Syka: it's less the 'terp and more the language<->browser API |
| 19:43 | <&ToxicFrog> | Which is totally standardized |
| 19:43 | <&ToxicFrog> | Everyone just ignores it |
| 19:51 | < AnnoDomini> | SDL1. From within an event-loop, can you demand further input? Like, say, I detect that the user pressed O, and want to demand further input, like an arrow key. |
| 19:52 | < AnnoDomini> | The way it's set up seems to be like the answer is 'no' but I'm not sure. |
| 19:56 | < AnnoDomini> | Using the standard input libraries, this was as simple as getchar() again, but that might not fly here. |
| 19:58 | <&McMartin> | AnnoDomini: Correct, no |
| 19:58 | <&McMartin> | You need to shift the app state into "start expecting arrow keys" |
| 19:59 | <&McMartin> | One easy way to do this is to have a bunch of KeyProcessor subclasses (KeyProcessor is a class you define) and direct the SDL event to the 'currently active' one, then change which one's currently active as one proceeds. |
| 19:59 | <&McMartin> | In C, one instead has an int for "which one" and does a switch statement on that state before doing a switch on what key it was |
| 20:01 | < AnnoDomini> | Yeah, that's what I was setting up as we speak. |
| 20:01 | < AnnoDomini> | Thank you. |
| 20:02 | <&McMartin> | I have, floating around in hardcopy, a moderately insane feat of preprocessor macros that define a pretty solid general state machine language in C. I should actually get those transcribed. |
| 20:02 | <&McMartin> | (But if your UI is such that you need this, You're Doing It Wrong >_>) |
| 20:03 | < AnnoDomini> | I don't think I need to make this game Turing Complete, no. |
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| 21:16 | <&McMartin> | It would still only be, er, regex complete~ |
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| 21:39 | < xybre> | btw that "Depixelizing Pixel Art" algorithm is awesome |
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| 22:48 | <@froztbyte> | http://networkengineering.stackexchange.com/questions/3086/ipv4-ipv6-co-existean ce --- awwwww yeaaaaaaaah |
| 22:49 | <@froztbyte> | the cluetrain could hit that person in the face and they might still not notice |
| 22:53 | <@froztbyte> | the sad part is that none of the comments say "You should step away from the computer and go read a book" |
| 22:54 | <@Tamber> | "Ah, say no more. I too have had students." |
| 22:55 | <@froztbyte> | hur hur |
| 22:57 | <@Tarinaky> | froztbyte: There aren't that many good books on IPv6 engineering are there? |
| 22:57 | <@Tarinaky> | Which is kindof what you'd need if you were to tell someone to go read a book >.> |
| 22:58 | <@froztbyte> | Tarinaky: that's the same kind of pointless observation |
| 22:58 | <@froztbyte> | this person /does not understand what these things do/, yet wants to hop on the "security" bandwagon |
| 22:58 | <@froztbyte> | also, I didn't mean "reference book", I mean "phone directory or something" |
| 22:58 | <@TheWatcher> | Actually sounds like one of the MSc students I had to deal with |
| 22:58 | <@froztbyte> | TheWatcher: :x |
| 22:58 | <@Namegduf> | Spelling errors are a bad sign. |
| 22:59 | <@Tarinaky> | I have to admit, I read the page quickly. |
| 23:00 | < AnnoDomini> | The spelling/grammatical/stylistical errors and the username make this luser sound like some sort of third worlder. |
| 23:01 | <@TheWatcher> | Indian, betcha. |
| 23:01 | <@TheWatcher> | Oh, no, Sri Lanka |
| 23:01 | <@TheWatcher> | Close enough for government work |
| 23:02 | < AnnoDomini> | Haha. |
| 23:02 | <@froztbyte> | for the record |
| 23:02 | <@froztbyte> | and to make you all utterly sad |
| 23:02 | <@froztbyte> | telcos are full of this kind of person |
| 23:02 | <@froztbyte> | and I mean /full/ |
| 23:02 | <@froztbyte> | (I've dealt with 7 telcos, so it's a pretty decent sample set) |
| 23:04 | <@Tarinaky> | http://www.dellsystem.me/posts/dont-do-drugs-kids/ |
| 23:04 | <@froztbyte> | I believe I know what that link says |
| 23:05 | <@froztbyte> | "don't do drugs. don't buy dell." |
| 23:05 | <@Tarinaky> | Actually the title is: "How not to check the validity of an email address" |
| 23:05 | <@froztbyte> | just a guess ;) |
| 23:05 | <@froztbyte> | the best way to test an email address is to send mail to it |
| 23:06 | <@froztbyte> | because the entire construction of it is insane |
| 23:06 | <@TheWatcher> | .... |
| 23:06 | <@TheWatcher> | asdfghjkl; |
| 23:07 | <@TheWatcher> | Who, who comes up with something like that?! |
| 23:08 | <@Namegduf> | "On the other hand, if you're working on a product called Hot4Learning, you probably hate your job and need to consume a staggering amount of drugs in order to keep coming to work. This is what your drug-addled brain might come up with" |
| 23:08 | <@Tarinaky> | Or, you know... People who either don't know any better, or don't care? |
| 23:09 | <@Namegduf> | "UPDATE: Yes, the above code does involve sending all 70,000+ McGill email addresses to the client upon each page load. The source code of the page was over 2.5MB in size. As in, 2.5MB of pure text." |
| 23:09 | <@Tarinaky> | See also managers who refuse to allow you to write unit tests/documentation and judge your entire professional value in terms of how many internal bug reports you can close in a day. |
| 23:09 | <@Namegduf> | If you don't care, then the words "fired" ought to be in your near future. |
| 23:09 | <@Namegduf> | 2.5MB is quite a lot. |
| 23:10 | <@froztbyte> | if people don't know any better, they should not just blindly bang stuff out |
| 23:10 | <@Tarinaky> | (Complete with perverse incentive for all patches to include bugs to be Reported and later closed by you with minimal effort) |
| 23:10 | <@Tamber> | s/quite/a hell of/ |
| 23:10 | <@froztbyte> | at least do /some/ reading |
| 23:10 | <@froztbyte> | that whole managerial/performance thing translates to "get a better job" |
| 23:11 | <&McMartin> | The economy isn't hot everywhere |
| 23:11 | <@Tarinaky> | "Sure, let me just strap on my job helmet and climb into my job cannon and fire myself into the magical land of Job where jobs grow on jobbies..." -- Reddit. |
| 23:11 | < AnnoDomini> | froztbyte: Maybe this IS the better job? |
| 23:11 | < AnnoDomini> | I mean, if the alternative is digging ditches? |
| 23:12 | <@froztbyte> | AnnoDomini: I'd dig ditches instead of having to deal with utter imbiciles having a right to tell me what to do |
| 23:12 | <@froztbyte> | (and have) |
| 23:12 | <@froztbyte> | happiness > * |
| 23:12 | < AnnoDomini> | Having dug ditches and dealt with morons, I'll go with morons. <_< |
| 23:13 | < AnnoDomini> | They are lighter on the backbone. |
| 23:13 | <@froztbyte> | my last couple of months at my previous job was a stockholm syndrome variation of sorts, because I kept believing I could carve out a niche |
| 23:13 | <@froztbyte> | after giving up on that, my life got better |
| 23:13 | <@Tamber> | Not a niche you were carving, but a coffin? |
| 23:13 | <@froztbyte> | an empty husk |
| 23:13 | <@froztbyte> | solidified hate |
| 23:15 | <@Tarinaky> | I have a psychological aversion to hard work. |
| 23:15 | <@Tarinaky> | I'd take the morons. |
| 23:15 | <@Namegduf> | This is one of those "Would you RATHER be shot in the stomach OR have your arm cut off" type of questions. |
| 23:16 | <@Tarinaky> | I wasn't the one who posed it. |
| 23:16 | <@Tarinaky> | But I'd contend it's more like "Be shot in the stomach in a hospital" vs "Have your arm cut off and cauterised" |
| 23:16 | <@Namegduf> | No, you weren't. |
| 23:17 | <@Namegduf> | Okay that was not an invitation to answer that question. |
| 23:17 | <@Namegduf> | It was just a commentary on the dubious value of hypothetical "if you had a choice between two different forms of being fucked, generically..." |
| 23:17 | <@Tarinaky> | You might as well try to enjoy the morphine. |
| 23:19 | <@Tarinaky> | Namegduf: There's an important distinction though. In this case we're being paid a salary to be fucked. |
| 23:19 | | * AnnoDomini does not mind hard work. |
| 23:19 | | * Tarinaky does. |
| 23:19 | <@Namegduf> | Don't they have ditch digging machines now anyway? |
| 23:20 | < AnnoDomini> | It's the tedium that most gets to me. And, well, the occassional back pain. |
| 23:20 | < AnnoDomini> | Namegduf: Do you even know how much it costs to rent a digging machine and operator per hour? |
| 23:20 | <@froztbyte> | an aversion to hard work is an ill position to have in life |
| 23:20 | <@froztbyte> | (and why do people almost always assume hard work == physical labour?) |
| 23:20 | < AnnoDomini> | Better to hire a dozen third/second world immigrants to do it on minimum wage. |
| 23:20 | <@Namegduf> | froztbyte: Well, in this case, because it's what's being discussed. |
| 23:21 | <@Tarinaky> | froztbyte: It's the 'hard' part. |
| 23:21 | < Syka> | <@froztbyte> my last couple of months at my previous job was a stockholm syndrome variation of sorts, because I kept believing I could carve out a niche |
| 23:21 | < Syka> | ^ my last job in a nutshell |
| 23:21 | <@Namegduf> | froztbyte: And hard work was merely a slightly off term for it which everyone knew what meant. |
| 23:21 | <@Tarinaky> | froztbyte: You're the one who brought up digging ditches specifically. |
| 23:21 | < Syka> | "I can fix shit" nope, i couldn't |
| 23:21 | <@froztbyte> | Tarinaky: I believe you need to go reread some things |
| 23:22 | <@Tarinaky> | Ah, you're right. Anno brought them up. |
| 23:22 | <@Tarinaky> | My point, mostly stands. |
| 23:22 | <@Tarinaky> | I'm not the one who brought up digging ditches. |
| 23:24 | <@Tarinaky> | On an unrelated note. Why did the company that 'refurbished' this second hand guitar hero controller not spray some fucking fabreeze on it. :/ |
| 23:25 | < AnnoDomini> | Because they'd have to charge more. |
| 23:25 | <@Tarinaky> | I assumed there was some reason fabreeze wasn't going to work given it smelt off when it arrived :/ |
| 23:25 | < AnnoDomini> | Febreezes don't grow on trees! |
| 23:25 | <@Tarinaky> | Drowned it in fabreeze and it smells fine now. |
| 23:27 | <@Namegduf> | Because a policy of doing it in general would cost money in time to administer and fabreeze for little or no average gain, and organisations don't make decisions on the per-item scale, I expect. |
| 23:27 | < Syka> | fabreeze? |
| 23:27 | < Syka> | is that like, febreeze, but endorsed by takei? |
| 23:27 | <@Tamber> | *glitter* Fabulous! |
| 23:28 | < Syka> | spray it for a gay old time |
| 23:28 | < Syka> | fun fact, there is an icecream in 'straya called Golden Gaytime |
| 23:29 | < Syka> | the company that makes it is a giant troll, because the marketing is innendos |
| 23:29 | < Syka> | (out the ass) |
| 23:29 | <&McMartin> | out, not up, eh |
| 23:30 | < Syka> | well, in both directions |
| 23:30 | < Syka> | in a rhythm |
| 23:30 | < Syka> | ...but anyway |
| 23:46 | < AnnoDomini> | McMartin: Suppose I have this code, http://pastie.org/8298957 , and I want to make this print non-transparently, what would you suggest? |
| 23:46 | < AnnoDomini> | As it is, it now prints without wiping out the spot where it's being put down. |
| 23:47 | < AnnoDomini> | I seem to remember that the text printing in my Snake implementation was non-transparent. |
| 23:48 | <&McMartin> | Is this on top of a solid color or on top of a background image? |
| 23:49 | <&McMartin> | (1) If it's a solid color, I'd copy the w and h fields out of text_surface into text_rect and use that text_rect to SDL_FillRect it with the background color first. |
| 23:50 | < AnnoDomini> | Solid colour, I think. I'm using SDL_gfx to just plant a boxRGBA() on the whole screen. |
| 23:50 | <&McMartin> | (2) If it's a background image I would actually do the thing in (3) but you'd SDL_BlitSurface the relevant piece of the background into place first |
| 23:50 | <&McMartin> | (3) In most cases this wouldn't come up for me because I'd be double-buffering the image and redrawing the whole frame each frame. |
| 23:51 | <&McMartin> | (1a) Yeah, boxRGBA will work too |
| 23:51 | <&McMartin> | But if you *think* you are redrawing the whole frame each frame I would consider turning on Double-Buffering and checking your logic because it sounds like you aren't >_> |
| 23:53 | < AnnoDomini> | I think I am double buffering and redrawing the whole frame. And yeah, I'm not checking if I'm drawing something on top of something else. |
| 23:54 | <&McMartin> | Oh, I see, so this is not like a status line that updates every frame, it's two components that can overlap |
| 23:54 | <&McMartin> | Solution (1) is the way to go |
| 23:54 | < AnnoDomini> | Thank you. |
| 23:55 | <&McMartin> | (The fields might not be named w and h in SDL_Surface; double-check that. The idea is to use the width and height as a blanking function.) |
| 23:58 | < AnnoDomini> | OK. This worked. I just need to pixel-tweak the exact placement/dimensions of the blanking so it doesn't overlap on other things. |
| 23:58 | <&McMartin> | Yeah |
| 23:59 | <&McMartin> | Note that you're definitely going to have trouble if you're trying to both avoid overlap *and* get Fancy Kerning. |
| 23:59 | <&McMartin> | You might ultimately have to switch to SDL_gfx's ugly bitmapped font |
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