| --- Log opened Sun Jun 16 00:00:46 2013 |
| 00:01 | <&ToxicFrog> | tbh I'm still trying to find an offsite backup host that doesn't suck |
| 00:01 | <&ToxicFrog> | google drive would be perfect if it had ssh access |
| 00:02 | <@Tamber> | I think the problem is your standards are too high. You need to find one that sucks *less*. :p |
| 00:03 | <@Tarinaky> | Stick to offline backups? |
| 00:05 | <@Tarinaky> | Idly: does anyone know if there's a .Xresources setting for the size of xterm? |
| 00:05 | <@Tarinaky> | s/size/width+height/ |
| 00:05 | <@Tamber> | I believe so. |
| 00:06 | <@Tamber> | I'll have a little dig and see if there actually is, though. |
| 00:06 | < ktemkin[work]> | xterm*VT100.geometry? |
| 00:06 | <@Tarinaky> | Finding .Xresources settings is a bit like peering through a Wizard's spellbook. |
| 00:06 | <@Tamber> | xterm*vt100*geometry: 120x50 |
| 00:09 | <@Tarinaky> | Is that in pixels? |
| 00:09 | <@Tamber> | Columns and rows |
| 00:10 | <@Tamber> | Since the font size is set with a separate setting |
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| 00:10 | <@Tarinaky> | Of course. |
| 00:10 | <@Tarinaky> | Thanks. |
| 00:11 | <@Tamber> | If, however, you try to fiddle with the xterm*font setting; I am so, so sorry. |
| 00:11 | <@Tamber> | I have *never* figured out how to actually set those without wanting to kill myself and everyone responsible. |
| 00:11 | <@Tarinaky> | Nah, I just needed more columns. |
| 00:11 | <@Tarinaky> | (That's what she said?) |
| 00:11 | <@Tamber> | (Nah, it's not that bad; I just tweak the values I *have*, and pray nothing breaks.) |
| 00:11 | <@Tamber> | hee |
| 00:13 | <@Tarinaky> | I'm currently trying to implement something like PhysFS in Python - because as far as I am aware there's nothing like that already. |
| 00:14 | < ktemkin[work]> | It's usually not /that/ bad. Open xfontsel, find the font you want; laboriously type the exact nonselectable name into your xresources. |
| 00:14 | <@Tamber> | hee |
| 00:16 | | * Tarinaky hurderps as he can't remember how to anotate parameters in python-style javadoc. |
| 00:17 | <@Tarinaky> | Can't remember what it's called either... |
| 00:17 | <@Tarinaky> | Ah, docstrings. |
| 00:17 | <@Tarinaky> | Ofc. |
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| 00:19 | <@Tarinaky> | I'm struggling to google this... how do I anotate an argument for a Python function in it's docstring? |
| 00:19 | <@Tarinaky> | I'm looking for something like @param |
| 00:25 | <~Vornicus> | Depends on your documentation tool. |
| 00:25 | <~Vornicus> | look up, like, doxygen syntax |
| 00:26 | <@Tarinaky> | I'm not using one. Unless you count python's built-in help() |
| 00:27 | <@Tarinaky> | It's more a style question. |
| 00:29 | <~Vornicus> | http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0257/ |
| 00:30 | <@Tarinaky> | Thanks. |
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| 03:24 | < Vorntastic> | I guess, thinking more distantly from it, that a big part of this is I have been playing fast & loose with the simple data types in python. |
| 03:25 | <@McMartin> | And C++ wants to hard-lock everything down |
| 03:25 | <@McMartin> | Or, depending on your view-point, "C++ doesn't directly support all the dynamic-typing stunts so you have to implement the machinery to make those work yourself" |
| 03:25 | <@McMartin> | Overload operator[], back yourself up with a std::map, good to go~ |
| 03:26 | < Vorntastic> | Quite. Which isn't so bad, honestly, I just need to get used to that and actually design my data types. |
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| 04:10 | <~Vornicus> | Okay, home. Let's see what I can pull off here. |
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| 10:26 | <~Vornicus> | okay, all napped up, what the hell was I doing. |
| 10:31 | <~Vornicus> | Okay. Part 1: figure out io well enough that I can write the thing that chugs the data sheet. |
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| 11:01 | | * McMartin pushes out the rest of the demo code for Monocle. |
| 11:01 | <@McMartin> | This is showing more and more gaps as it goes~ |
| 11:28 | <~Vornicus> | Uh. Okay. First off figure out how to munch a word or something. |
| 11:41 | <~Vornicus> | (I was hoping that >> would let me eat string-shaped words as well but that doesn't appear to be the case. Hmmm) |
| 11:42 | <~Vornicus> | oh, I can. it's just defined somewhere else so I couldn't find it the first time. |
| 12:26 | | * Vornicus does battle with all sorts of assumptions he's no longer sure is true. |
| 12:27 | <~Vornicus> | I've got a map<string, map<...>> and I want to add things to an inner map. I am not sure, however, whether there's something I have to do to make the inner map exist if I haven't done this key yet. |
| 12:27 | <@McMartin> | Oh man |
| 12:28 | <@McMartin> | This is one of C++'s most insanely obtuse and obnoxious things |
| 12:28 | <~Vornicus> | In Python I have to actually instantiate the inner map (or use a defaultdict(dict)) |
| 12:28 | <@McMartin> | If you refer to foo[key] anywhere, and foo[key] does not exist, foo[key] will be created with the default constructor for the target name. |
| 12:28 | <@McMartin> | If this is *not* the behavior you want, you must use std::map::find() and check the returned iterator against foo:end(). |
| 12:29 | <@McMartin> | foo::end(), rather. |
| 12:29 | <~Vornicus> | Well, I was hoping for an empty map to start with |
| 12:29 | <@McMartin> | That's what you'll get, since that's the default constructor. |
| 12:29 | <@McMartin> | In short, as long as you aren't *deleting* anything |
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| 12:29 | <@McMartin> | foo[bar][baz] will transparently create everything precisely as needed. |
| 12:30 | <~Vornicus> | Oh, so it's not nearly as obtuse and obnoxious for my case. |
| 12:30 | <@McMartin> | For the 78% of the time that isn't what you actually want, it's find and insert, which are incredible pains, but the 22% where it *is* is pretty great~ |
| 12:34 | <~Vornicus> | And if I do (partial pseudo) typedef map<string, map<string, PlanetData> Galaxy; PlanetData my_planet; for line in file: set my_planet variables; galaxy[system_name][planet_name] = my_planet; will that copy my struct like it looks like it should? |
| 12:36 | <@McMartin> | It should, though it will IIRC be a shallow copy. |
| 12:36 | <@McMartin> | That's probably what you want though. |
| 12:36 | <@McMartin> | Structs and classes have an automatically generated copy constructor that is basically memcpy |
| 12:36 | <~Vornicus> | the innards are all ints, so I think I'll be good. |
| 12:37 | <@McMartin> | You totally win |
| 12:38 | <~Vornicus> | \o/ |
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| 16:03 | <~Vornicus> | /Users/vorn/Documents/seprodfrontier/main.cpp:218:0 /Users/vorn/Documents/seprodfrontier/main.cpp:218: error: conversion from 'std::_Rb_tree_const_iterator<std::pair<const std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> >, std::map<std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> >, PlanetDescription, std::less<std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > >, std::allocator<s |
| 16:03 | <~Vornicus> | td::pair<const std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> >, PlanetDescription> > > > >' to non-scalar type 'std::_Rb_tree_iterator<std::pair<const std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> >, std::map<std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> >, PlanetDescription, std::less<std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > >, std::allocator |
| 16:03 | <~Vornicus> | <std::pair<const std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> >, PlanetDescription> > > > >' requested |
| 16:04 | <~Vornicus> | fizba wizh |
| 16:09 | <~Vornicus> | ah. const_iterator, use that, okay. |
| 16:26 | <~Vornicus> | victory. Everything's under control now. I can do this. But first, bedbedbed. |
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| 20:30 | < AnnoDomini> | Can y'all recommend any good USB tv tuner thingies? |
| 20:37 | <@froztbyte> | elonics e4000 |
| 20:43 | < AnnoDomini> | This thing? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Realtek-RTL2832U-Elonics-E4000-USB-DVB-T-Receiver-Tuner- FM-DAB-PAL-F-adapter-/300838890703?pt=US_Video_Capture_TV_Tuner_Cards&hash=item4 60b652ccf |
| 20:45 | <@froztbyte> | yes |
| 20:45 | < AnnoDomini> | Great. Thanks. |
| 20:45 | <@froztbyte> | well, that's the elonics unit |
| 20:46 | <@froztbyte> | just make sure it can pick up the correct signal type for your country |
| 20:46 | <@froztbyte> | (should generally be fine, since that thing covers the most stuff of any of the chipsets I know of) |
| 20:46 | < AnnoDomini> | This is for Norway. |
| 20:47 | < AnnoDomini> | Which is PAL B/G apparently. |
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| 21:13 | | * AnnoDomini purchases item. |
| 21:14 | < AnnoDomini> | Hopefully, the local TV tax people can't tell a USB tuner from a Hydroelectric Magnetosphere Regulator. If they even notice I'm not registered to pay the tax. |
| 21:20 | <@Tarinaky> | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Rp4V3Sj5jE So does this mean Cockroaches are soon to join the list of species humans know incredible amounts of minute detail on as a 'model' animal? |
| 21:21 | <@Tarinaky> | AnnoDomini: Careful. In the UK when you buy a TV tuner the vendor is required by law to provide the billing address to the TV license enforcement group. |
| 21:22 | <@Tarinaky> | And they'll send you a nasty-gram. |
| 21:22 | < AnnoDomini> | I'm not in the UK. |
| 21:22 | <@Tarinaky> | TL;DR: Pay cash. |
| 21:22 | <@Tarinaky> | I would be surprised if the UK was the only country to do so >.> |
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| 21:28 | < AnnoDomini> | I'm buying this thing on eBay from China or something, paying via PayPal. |
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| 23:16 | <@Tarinaky> | Is there a utility in Debian/Ubuntu to obtain a list of packages that provide a named library/file? |
| 23:18 | <&ToxicFrog> | apt-file |
| 23:19 | <&ToxicFrog> | It may not be installed by default |
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| 23:28 | <@froztbyte> | dlocate, or apt-file |
| 23:34 | <@Azash> | No apt-get options? |
| 23:37 | < ktemkin[work]> | Apt-get can give you a list of /already installed/ packages that provide the named file; but it can't deal with files that aren't currently installed. |
| 23:38 | < ktemkin[work]> | ... or, at least, dpkg can. |
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| 23:47 | | * Azash gave up trying to figure out even how apt-get can list uninstalled packages, just installs aptitude every time |
| 23:49 | <@McMartin> | 13:19 <@Tarinaky> I would be surprised if the UK was the only country to do so >.> |
| 23:49 | <@McMartin> | For the record, my understanding is that the UK is pretty unique about this; nobody else really has an outfit that rivals the BBC >_> |
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| 23:51 | <@Tarinaky> | McMartin: The license isn't enforced by the BBC though. |
| 23:51 | <@Tarinaky> | They just receive the money. |
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